Mitchell and Dawn Siegel DNA Connections

PLEASE FIGURE IT OUT!

We will going to Safford, Arizona. tomorrow. Have fun with your DNA analysis.

I will ask my nephew or my son for our private labs.

Have a nice day.

Have a nice trip!

Martha lied to me!!!!!!

Michell -

At present I am going to look at 2 paths between you and Herbert (Herzl) Bloom

Path 1 -- the old path, the one Geni has been showing
From Herbert to you, this path is: Herbert To Mary Bloom Siegel to herbert Siegel to mitchell

Path 2 -- what I think you currently believe is your correct bio-path
From Herbert to you, this path is: Herbert To David Walter Bloom to herbert Siegel to mitchell

Looking at DNA info from AncestryDNA that you posted previously

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Whether Path1 or Path2 is correct, the following are your 2nd Cousins.

Louis Albert - 5% shared DNA 340cM. Louis Albert - Herbert bloom's great grandson -
herbert to sarah bloom cohen to Lillian cohen albert to louis

Diane Elefson - 2% shared DNA 165cM. Diane Elefson Herbert Bloom's great granddau.
herbert to sarah bloom cohen to Mary cohen sumberg to Diane -

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If Path1 is Correct, Ashley is your 2nd Cousin
If Path2 is Correct, Ashley is your 1st Cousin

Ashley Leal -- (2nd- 3rd cousin) - 4% shared DNA: 257cM across 12 segments on AncestryDNA.
Herbert (Hertzl) Bloom to David Walter Bloom to Herbert Ferrin Bloom to Ashley

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If Path1 is correct, the following are your 1C1R (1st cousin once removed)
If Path2 is Correct, the following are your 2C1R (2nd Cousins once removed)

Jess Lacher - 6% shared DNA 454cM.
Herbert to Mary (Bloom) Siegel to Rose (Bloom) Nachman to Ann Larcher to Jess

Alexander Nachman - 5% shared DNA 361cM.
Herbert to Mary (Bloom) Siegel to Rose (Bloom) Nachman to Arthur Nachman to Alexander

(I always look to see where the sibling pair is. For both these two:
For path 1, sibling pair is Herbert Siegel & Rose (Siegel) Nachman
For path 2, sibling pair is David Walter Bloom and Mary (Siegel) Bloom)

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Per https://dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4
Basically 99% of the time
For 1C -- the Range in shared cM is 396 to 1397 - average 866
For 1C1R -- the Range in shared cM is 102 to 980 -- average 433
For 2C -- the Range in shared cM is 41 to 592 -- average 229
For 2C1R -- the Range in shared cM is 14 to 353 - average 122

Mitchell -
For Jess and Alexander
Both 454cM. and 361cM are higher than the range for 2C1R
Both are within the range for 1C1R
So it seems Path1 is more consistent with the DNA with regards to them
On the other hand, if you have Bloom ancestry from another source, or share additional ancestoral lines as well with them, more details would be needed about that to sensibly decide

However -- Ashley shares way too little to be your first cousin.

Did not look at the table for half- relationships.
For Half 1C -- the Range in shared cM is 156 to 979 - average is 449
At 257 Ashley would still be on the low side, which is unusual among Ashkenazi Jews

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239445#:~:text=Today%20at%201%3A35...
Cora Marie Ferrin was not only my 1st cousin once removed, (her mother, Cora May was my great aunt; she and my grandmother, Della, were sisters) but she also my step grandmother.

All half cousins.

Martha is related to my bio grandmother. JOKE JACOB SIEGEL

I am related to Jacobson, Mormon Smith, Owens and Madsen. JOKE JACOB SIEGEL

I am related to R-DNA 32 living men. YDNA Jacob was ZERO.

There were 3 missing children. Arthur Harold Ferrin LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!! We went there at Safford, AZ

I have no idea what "There were 3 missing children. " means / refers to / is talking about.
Do you mean 3 folks you cannot find records for?
3 children that show up on one census, but you can find nothing else?
3 children you have seen " missing child" reports for?
???

I think 3 children alleged to have died in infancy who weren't buried in the cemetery...?

Of course, many infants' graves are unmarked, or have small stones that are easily lost to the sands of time.

Re : "All half cousins" -- Looking more, I think Ashley is the only possibility.
None of the rest are descended from David Walter Bloom.

Do you see any way any of the others might be?
If so, please explain.

Lisa --
There are a gazillion descendants of Jacob & Toba Rosenberg.
I am working, but have not come close to looking at all of them
- what 3 children?

Private User , If I'm following correctly (no guarantee, of course!), these missing children have nothing to do with the Rosenberg (or even Bloom) families, but are related to the Jacobson family that married into the Ferrin family. See Discussion tab for Cora Marie Ferrin

James Anthon Jacobson is your great aunt's brother's wife's brother by DNA autosomal Match
ME
→ Herbert Siegel
your father → Mary Siegel
his mother → David Walter Bloom
her brother → Clara F Bloom
his wife → Arthur Harold Ferrin
her brother → Cora Marie Ferrin
his wife → James Anthon Jacobson
her brother

We went there. Where are missing 3 children? Denmark cousin did remove twin babies yesterday. WHY?

I took all pictures on Jacobson, Madsen, Owens, Cora Marie Ferrin at Safford Cemetery.

City of Safford lady was surprised about 1911-1911 Arizona legal document FRAUD from Cora Marie Ferrin and James Anthon Jacobson.

Lois, this does not make sense. We are related to them.

You did not believe me about any documents and my father and my wife's birth certificate as FRAUD.

David Walter Bloom had too many partners as Jacobson, Madsen, Owens familes. Why did I relate to Jacobson, Madsen and Owens families connection?

Some people put wrong information on GENI from Safford Cemetery.

I am related to Rosenberg, Bloom, Jacobson, Madsen, Owens by DNA autosomal matches.

"Mitchell and Dawn Siegel DNA Connections": ???????????? Why did Denmark cousin complain me and my wife?

Why did I relate to 29 Bloom living men? PLUS 3 - my nephew, my son and my brother.

MARY BLOOM SIEGEL, JESS, ANN, ROSE AND LESLIE IS RELATED TO JACOB SIEGEL AND ABRAHAM JACOB SIEGEL BY MY MOM'S SIDE K1A1B1A PAULINE (PESEL) WEINER.

JACK NACHMAN, ROSE NACHMAN, JESS'S COUSINS ARE RELATED TO MY MOM'S SIDE.

JESS DID NOT RELATE TO DAVID WALTER BLOOM BUT HE IS RELATED TO HERBERT (HEZI) BLOOM.

MY MATERNAL GRANDFATHER MEIR HERMAN'S MOM WAS PAULINE (PESEL) WEINER K1A1B1A. (COMMON ANCESTOR - DEAF GENERATION). MY MOM WAS RELATED TO JACK NACHMAN, ROSE BLOOM NACHMAN, JESS LACHER, LESLIE AND ANN ARE RELATED TO MY MOM.

MY MOM WAS RELATED TO ROSE NACHMAN AND MARY BLOOM SIEGEL