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Áed, Mórmaer of Moray - MacDuff

Started by Private User on Monday, December 13, 2021
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Private User
12/13/2021 at 6:02 AM

alright this is 'the' MacDuff, fictionally immortalized by Shakespeare.

what a can of worms in the mass of misinformation out there!

wikipedia Clan MacDuff makes him the son of Malcolm III (not possible) and so do a number of clan history websites.

one clan history website even claims extra legitimacy for Malcom III by having him marry Gruoch when he seized the throne!

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What do we actually know about this man?

1. he is certainly of scots royal blood somehow.
2. he is kinsman of Macbeth, Gruoch and Malcolm III.
3. the kinship is by females in the MacAlpin line of descent.

what else can he added here?
Anne Brannen C
12/13/2021 at 7:55 AM

There is a great deal of information in the Overview to the profile you've linked to.

Macduff in Geni

"Macduff"

One of the reasons that there is so much contradictory information out there is that he's legendary, and only loosely attached to history.

Private User
12/13/2021 at 9:16 AM

that other profile is odd, and to span all those reigns he would have to be a composite of the 'main' macbethian MacDuff and his father, maybe grandfather also.

Private User
12/13/2021 at 10:06 AM

apparently, this explains some of the confusion over him being son of Malcolm III which he is not, sloppy reading will have resulted in conflating Áedh with ths man:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethelred_of_Scotland

Private User
12/13/2021 at 10:17 AM

and of course, here is the very first MacDuff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_III_of_Scotland
Anne Brannen C
12/13/2021 at 10:17 AM

The issue is that the Macduffs of Fife can be traced back as far as Gille Míchéil MacDuff, Earl of Fife -- the paper trail for taking the line back isn't there.

A fairly safe site for seeing what we actually have evidence for (as opposed to what we have stories about) is here -- http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#_Toc209085741

enjoy.

Private User
12/13/2021 at 10:33 AM

also it is fair to assert that Gillemichael is related to 'the' MacDuff, we just don't know exactly how.

Private User
12/13/2021 at 4:32 PM

Well, Gillemichael *did* call himself "mic meic Dubh" (descendant of Dubh), but we don't have access to whatever he was using for records. :-)
Sharon Doubell C
12/13/2021 at 11:21 PM

Gillemichel looks like he needs a clean up - just working with lousy internet today - it will be the bloody undersea cable to Africa that a shark or something has bitten again :-) :-/

See also https://www.geni.com/projects/Macbeth-Historical-Context-of-Shakespeare-s-Play/6078 and https://www.geni.com/projects/Shakespeare-s-History/39835

Private User
12/15/2021 at 12:32 AM

literally also "son of MacDuff"

Private User
1/22/2022 at 11:19 AM

Áed, Mórmaer of Moray is your 28th great grandfather.

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