Ka Okee "Jane" Pettus - Relationships

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Someone has worked on "my" MARTIN line at FamilySearch and it now shows "Ka Okee Powhatan MY 11TH GREAT-GRANDMOTHER"

They made the parents of John Martin, Il

John Martin Sr.
1630–1715 • G8X8-N9N​​
Marriage: about 1652
and
Christian Pettus
1636–1701 • L2XG-QVP

with Ka Okee the mother of Christian Pettus.

I have asked for John Martin, Il 's date of birth to be corrected which would coincidentally make it the same as that of his FS but I do NOT believe/trust the FS claim that he is the grandson of KaOkee .

Thank you.

Ka Okee "Jane" Pettus Is a controversial “person of legend” and does not have descent on Geni.

Good luck with FamilySearch.

We actually have some information about Ann, mother of your John Martin. She remarried to Peter Johnson.

Ann Johnson


Notes

1663-1668 Old Rappahannock County, Virginia Deed Book 3; [Antient Press]; Page 463-464 KNOW ALL MEN by these presents that I ANN MARTYN Widdow Doe by these presents make and Ordeyne DR. RICHARDSON my true & lawfull Attorney for the Recording of six head of catle in manner and forme following Vizt, two heifers with Calfe the one Cole Black and the other Browne and a Browne yearling cropt on both Eares and underkeeled on the right eare to be recorded for the use of JOHN MARTYN the Sone of JOHN MARTYN Deced MOREOVER one Red pyed Heifer & one pyed black heifer and one cole black heifer yearling marked as abovesd only one under-keele in the left eare more then aforesd to be recorded for KATH: MARTYN Daughter of the aforesd John Martyn deced WITTNESSETH my hand this 30th of June 1668. Test JOHN DEANE. Ann Martyn

Old Rappahannock County, Virginia Wills
JOHNSON, PETER, 4 December, 1683; 2 January, 1683/4.

My will is that my son-in-law Jno Martin go free and be for himself and that he have the tuition of my son Peter Johnson until he be twenty years of age alwaies Provided that the said John Martin give my son Convenient Education and Maintenance and take no ill Courses wherein if he falters in any Respect my will is that my executor James Jackson to take my son Peter into his Guardianship and that he remains with my executor the terme aforesaid. All my estate to my son Peter Johnson to remaine in the custody of he that keeps my Child Care being taken to pay my debts. Executor my friend James Jackson.


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Thank you so much, Erica Howton

I would research the writings of William Deyo, Tribal Historian of the Patawomeck Tribe on this topic.

Yes, I’m familiar with his work. We don’t agree on this family.

I have nothing but appreciation for Mr. Deyo, he’s a lovely and helpful person. Just don’t find the evidence holds up in this particular instance.

In fact, Ka Okee is theoretically associated with an entirely different Martin family.

Christian Waddington

Is theorized as daughter of Col. Thomas Pettus &
Ka Okee "Jane"

Christian married 1) John Martin and 2)
Francis Waddington, I

As you can see, these are not the same Martin’s.

Erica Howton thank you again for sorting "my" Martin and making Geni the site I trust over all collaborative genealogy sites.
Brava.

It would be great to see a copy of this bible. As evidence. Anything else is just hearsaying and speculation.
James Fuckett born on the Isle of wight had only two sons. William and James. No Peter. Peter was a french men and had to naturalized. The english church records show the marriage of James and his wife Eme and the birth of William and James. No Peter belongs to this family. William died as an infant. Also his father James died young. So his wife Eme married again and came to America with her son James. Her husband Nicholas Johnson had died before. Her son James married Dorothy. There is no James Lawton Fugitt in this time. Lawton does not show up in these records. Armelies Lawton is another person. I do not know who mixed everything up and made this confusion. But this wrong information goes round and round.

it has been verified by dna that stephen pettus is descended from Pochahantus. at least thats what i have read. stephen is supposed to be Ka Okee Jane and thomas pettus child. i havent yet had my dna tested by tribes. i would like to know more because i thought this was settled a few years ago.

The one Fugate who was married to Dorothy Pettit was James Fuckett, son of James Fuckett of Yarmouth, Isle of Wight. That is fact.Where does this Lawton come from? It is not his birth name. We know his birth name from the church record. And where is the proof that his son was Josias? Could you please make a copy of this bible record and publish it here on geni?
Here you find the records:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/L5PT-3FD
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/LT2Z-7Z3

I believe in what I can prove not in hearsaying. It does not matter if I am anonymous. Look at the records. The records are an evidence not oral history. I know what the Patawomeck tribe is saying. But one can believe it or not. We all would like to see a copy of this bible. It is no proof just to say that an info is or will be verified without giving evidence. We all need to see the records from this times not what is oral history which can be true or not. Does the tribe has any records to prove their story? There are many people who believe everthing without doing good research themselves. Only because you can find it on geni it might not be true. Only words without evidence. I It is everyones free will to believe in informations which are not proved. But I will not. If you show us the bible then why should someone change things wrong? It would be a great help for many family trees.Right now alot of family trees are wrong because of wrong and unproved informations.

Private User - here’s a cross post that has some more details:


https://www.geni.com/discussions/227471?msg=1539542

From the Family Bible of the Fugates

From an e-mail from Freda Combs Rowlett:

I am very happy to hear from you cousin! I have a lot of info from Nancy Ann Fugit/Fugitt/Fugate's Bible. She spelled it Fugitt but the spelling was changed in the Clay County KY courthouse in the late 1790's/early 1800's to Fugate. (The area now Breathitt County KY was first part of Floyd County, then Clay County, then Perry County and finally Breathitt County. So the area our ancestors lived in was at the now Breathitt County/Perry County borders encompassing Lost Creek and Troublesome Creeks. They did branch out in the 1800's to other parts of Breathitt and Perry Counties.

Nancy Ann's father was John Zachariah Fugitt and her mother was Sarah Henley.
John Zachariah's father was Josiah Fugitt and his mother was Mary E. Martin.
Josiah's father was James Lawton Fugitt and his mother was Dorothy Pettis
James Lawton's father was Peter Fugitt and his mother was Armelies Lawton.
Peter Fugitt immigrated from France. (Fr. Philip says: a discussion with Bill Deyo, the genealogist and tribal historian for the Patawomeck Tribe, has Mr. Deyo believing that Peter Fugate was not the Father of James L. Fugate, but a 1/2 brother. There are depositions in the records of Virginia that show James Fugate's father to be James Fugate and Ameline Lambe....we speculate that Armelies Lawton is a corruption of Ameline Lambe). They were from Yarmouth, Isle of Wight, England which was a have for French Huguenots who settled in England and later America. The Fugate family were probably Huguenot and Peter could indeed have been born in France while his brothers were from England and emigrated to America from there)


Private User - anyone on geni is welcome to contribute, that’s what a collaborative tree is all about.

The Fugate, Pettus, Martin etc families have a lot of legend and speculation attached. A rigorous documentation approach will benefit everyone.

I’m confused by the “Lawton” reference also. There weren’t middle names in England in this period.

Thank you, James. This is a “very” problematic genealogy, so keeping our heads on helps.

What do you think of the France vs England origins? I’ve seen more Huguenots emigrating via England and Ireland or even the Netherlands to Virginia than from France.

James, I do not know you either. James could also be a wrong name. But it doesn't matter to me. The informations given are more important. If you don't want to share it with me than share it please with other people here on geni. You see their names so they are not anonymous.
Why don't you have a look at the records on family search. You find many informations there about James from the Isle of Wight, his wife Eme and their children James and William. All proved by church records, wills and so on from the 17th century. James and Eme were married 1651 and shortly after that Willam was born in May who died about two weeks later in June. The following year James was born who married later Dorothy. No Peter was born to James and Eme. And only Eme and her son James are mentioned in the will. Why not Peter if he was a brother? Peter is another line with a similar name or people made it the same name just to make the same family.

"He married Ka-Okee before 1626. They were the parents of at least 3 sons and 2 daughters." Shouldn't this be removed, from Col. Thomas Pettus' bio?

Joseph Raymond Burke - thank you, done.

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