Sir Titus de Scudamore, of Upton Scudamore - Top of the Scudamore tree -- Wait, what?

Started by Private User on Thursday, January 27, 2022
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I was working on cleaning up the Scudamores down further in the Tree, but discovered that we have a Titus de Scudamore born in Herefordshire in 1052.

He worries me a lot:

1) having an exact birth date at this time makes no sense. But that's not as problematic as
2) the name Titus wasn't used in England until the Reformation and even more problematic,
3) Normans weren't in England until 1066

His father, Alexander, is listed as dying in 1052, and the overview says he came to England with William the Conqueror -- but if he died in 1053, he was dead years before that.

And though that Alexander is said to be born in France, his dad, also Alexander, is said to have been born in Wales.

Something is very wrong.

So I went looking.

I can't find any evidence of the Scudamores in England before the Norman invasion, other than in family web trees with no documentation.

the earliest Scudamore is in the Domesday book -- here's our version of him: Ralph de Scudamore -- and what the name was in France we apparently don't know, though it looks like it's Breton.

At any rate.

There should be no Scudamores in England, or Wales, on Geni, before the Domesday book.

Help!

AHA!

This little tree consisting of people who could not have existed was attached to the Scudamores only by a peripheral connection through a Wife of a Scudamore who had been attached to two Scudamores who lived a hundred years apart.

I've disconnected it and labeled it fictional.

If evidence appears that these were real people, we can reattach!

But I am not holding my breath.

Nothing in Bartrum's Scudamore. That chart begins with a man I would date in the late 1200's at the earliest. https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000173427359968

Yep. The Scudamores weren't actually Marcher Lords, but they married into both the Marcher Lords and the Welsh.

But they couldn't have done that until they got there.

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