Dolsa bat Yehuda Kalonymus, V - Dolsa bat Yehuda Kalonymus -- Did she exist?

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Is there any evidence for the existence of this profile? As daughter of Rabbi Yehuda ben Kalonymus ? As wife of Sheshet Benveniste ? And what evidence is there for Sheshet?

Sheshat has the wrong parents. No knowledge of his family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benveniste

Isaac Benveniste Nasi the physician of the king of Aragon that came to Spain from Narbonne France in the 12th century. The father of Sheshet Benveniste Nasi.

Sheshet Benveniste Nasi, (c.1131-1209). He was a physician, writer, a political advisor and a diplomate to the kings of Aragon. He came to Spain from Narbonne France with his father in the 12th century. Sheshet received his education at Narbonne, his probable birthplace, afterward he lived at Barcelona, and later at Saragossa, in which city he died. He practiced medicine, and was the author of a medical work, manuscript copies of which are still extant at Oxford and Munich. Such was his reputation as a physician that patients came long distances to consult him.

19. Sheshet ben Isaac ben Joseph Benveniste:

Benveniste directed a letter to the congregation of Lunel, in answer to the epistle of Abulafia to that congregation, in which he freely expresses himself upon the value of Maimonides' "Yad ha-Ḥazaḳah," because it enabled the laity to control the judgments rendered by the Rabbis. He carried on a lively correspondence with Nasi Kalonymus b. Ṭodros and with Levi b. Moses of Narbonne, where his brother Joseph also resided. He lost his three sons in their prime.

Isn’t this the same issue mentioned here?



https://www.geni.com/discussions/188114?msg=1542472

Randy Schoenberg here's one for you - Sheshet Benveniste Perfet Nasi

The linked Wikipedia article shows a physician whose father's name is also known. Nothing else appears to be known of the family.

The Geni profile - and its attached parents, children and siblings - all appears to be either made up, or the result of bad merges.

Culprit does not seem to have realized that "ben" denotes the name of the person's father.

Sheshet Perfet
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The other tree is a real mess, too.

Separated out the Solomon ibn Shoshan, Nasi of Toledo line, which probably can be developed further.

I don’t understand why / how it was grafted to the Benviniste tree.

Hatte Rubenstein Blejer we could use your language skills in this Al Andalus area.

Dolsa bat Yehuda seems to come from dubious sources like this:

http://lavraienaturedujudaisme.blogspot.com/2012/06/ascendance-davi...

31. Reyna bat Sheshet (married Vidal Zerachia Gracian son of Isaac Gracian Hen)[1200]

30. Dolsa Kalonymus (married Sheshet Perfet son of Solomon Perfet)
31. Tolosana Benveniste (married Kalonymus)

Based on this book

Jews, Christian Society, & Royal Power in Medieval Barcelona By Elka Klein. Page 212 < GoogleBooks >

This is the correct Sheshet Benveniste

(https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/3011-benveniste)

Samuel Benveniste de Tudela Was a bad merge into the Drs family. It is sourced and does belong somewhere.

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