Alexander Dundas of Fingask - Wrong wife as mother of his children?

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Private User says of Alexander Dundas of Fingask "The information copied straight from the Dundas of Fingask familysite onto the geni-profile has been tinkered with without permission from the writer of the original text, the mother of Alexander Dundas children is falsely given to be Isabel Oliphant, when it is clearly cited on the familysite that the mother of his children should be Helen Arnot and now this vital piece of information is missing on the geni profile about section... and the children's real mother should be changed to be Helen Arnot, as the sources used for the Dundas familysite state. The peerage(referred to by some) is not a primary source here and especially when looking at the recent ancestry.com-site, wikipedia and stirnet used as sources for the information on the modern peerage, instead of the actual records and registries. These have been used as the source for the geni-profile, but the text that is modified is ripped from the site of the Dundas of Fingask family site"

cf Helen Arnot and Isabel Dundas

Maria cites http://dundasfamily.co.uk/record_61.htm as saying:

Alexander Dundas
of Fingask

Son of: Alexander Dundas
and:
born:
died: 9th September 1513 at the battle of Flodden
Alexander Dundas was served and retoured as heir to his father at Perth in 1460 although only in the lands of Fingask and not Dundas and from thenceforth designed himself from that estate.
He was slain at the battle of Flodden along with four sons.

	marriage

1st Isabel daughter of Laurence Lord Oliphant and Lady Isabel Hay
2ndly Helen Arnot daughter and co-heiress of William Arnot of Balbarton in Fife and Matilda Johnstoun . As a result of the marriage, Alexander Dundas obtained the lands of Knightspotty in the barony of Abernethy and shire of Perth (sold 1584), also a tack of the lands of Bannachie near Kirkcaldy Fife.

	the following children were born of this union:

1. Alexander Dundas
2. Adam Dundas of Oxmure in Berwickshire. These lands were granted to him in 1513 and a further grant of land in Edinburgh was granted in 1525. (Register of the great seal of Scotland)
3. Margaret Dundas
4. Archibald Dundas
5. Christian Dundas married Sir John Fotheringham
6. Euphame Dundas married Walter Reid brother of Robert Reid, the Bishop of Orkney and had issue:

	a.	Walter Reid Abbot of Kinloss (see Dundas of Windiehills)
	b.	Katherine Reid married 1561 Alexander Dunbar, Dean of Moray who died 1593

Burke - in A genealogical and heraldic history of the commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, enjoying territorial possessions or high official rank; but univested with heritable honoursby Burke, John, 1787-1848 - Publication date 1835-38 https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera03burk/page/114/mode/1up
has the following:

Alexander Dundas, of Fingask, who married Isabel, daughter of Lawrence, Lord Oliphant, and had several sons, with one daughter, the wife of Law, of Lawbridge. He fell at Flodden, in 1513, together with four of his sons, and was s. by his eldest son.... Alexander Dindas, of Fingask, who procured from James V. a charter of con- tirniation of the lands of Coates, in the lord- ship of Elcho. He wi. Elizabeth, daugiiter of Sir David Bruce, of Clackmannan, and had issue,
I. Archibald, his heir.
II. Robert.
III. Tlionias, of Findhorn.
I. Margaret, vi. first, to William Kerr, of Ancrani, ancestor of the Marquises of Lothian ; and secondly, to Sir George Douglas, of Mordington.
II. Nicholas, m. to Alexander Corville, coniniendator of Culross. Their eldest (laughter, Grizcl Colville, be- came the ^\ife of Sir John Preston, of Valley(i( Id ; and their second daughter, Jean Colville, of Robert Bruce, of Blair Hall.
Alexander Dundas was slain at Pinkie, and succeeded by his eldest son Archibald Dundas, of Fingask"

Medlands https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm has the following (- although probably only pertinent for the Isabel Oliphant by marriage reference:)

JOHN Stewart, son of ROBERT Stewart of Innermeath & his wife --- . Lord of Lorn 1407/12 [from his brother] m ISABEL of Argyll, daughter of JOHN Lord of Lorn, Chief of Clan Douglas & his wife --- (-21 Dec 1439). John & his wife had eight children: ...
6. CHRISTIAN Stewart . m James DUNDAS of that Ilk, son of --
7. ISABEL Stewart . m firstly WILLIAM Oliphant of Aberdalgy, son of ---. m secondly DAVID Murray of Gask, son of ---.

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