Pierre Gauch Gauche - Bronne Pierre Gauch oorl. 1689 as vader van Andre Gauch

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Tydens Andre Gauch en Jacqueline du Cret se huwelik te Geneve op 13 Jan 1683 was die bruidegom se vader Pierre Gauch reeds oorlede soos aangegee deur de gebruik van "de feu" oftwewel "wyle" in Afrikaans voor sy naam in die aantekening van Andre en Jacqueline se huwelik: : "André Gauch & Jacqueline Decré. Le samedy 13. Janvier 1683. ont espousé André fils de feu Pierre Gauch. du Pont de Monvers aux Sevenes. Et Jaqueline fille de feu Louis Decré de Sauverni.". (Sien Service cantonal de l'Etat civil, Registres de la paroisse de Céligny, puis registres d'état civil de la commune (doubles), E.C. Céligny 2, Registre de la paroisse protestante de Céligny: 1) Cahier des baptêmes du 27 mars 1670 au 11 novembre 1743. 2) Cahier des mariages du 24 avril 1670 au 15 décembre 1743. 3) Cahier des décès du 25 mars 1670 au 26 janvier 1744. Ce registre contient également une liste des célébrations et des travaux divers faits dans l'église de Céligny de 1710 à 1738, https://ge.ch/arvaegconsult/ws/consaeg/public/fiche/imageMenu?displ..., Image 46 sur 118).

Deur 'n aantal wysiging is Pierre Gauche * ca 1640 † voor 19 Mar 1689 en Ω Homburg, Saarland 19 Mar 1689 en, oënskynlik, die seun van Solomon Gauche en Jeanne de Lo gekoppel as die vader van stamvader Andre Gauch.

Vir Pierre Gauché kon ek 'n bronverwysing op Familysearch by die skakel https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-892X-BW46?i=264 vind uit die Katholische Kirche Sankt Michael Homburg. Die gedeeltelike transkripsie lui as volg:
"Le 19me Mars 1689 morris en cette ville vers les dix heures et demi du foit pierre gauché bourgrois de cette ville a agé de cinquant ans mari de margueritte bely" d.w.s "Op 19 Maart 1689 is om omstreeks tien-dertig die oggend in hierdie dorp oorlede Pierre Gauché burger van hierdie dorp vyftig jaar oud man van Marguerite Bely". Hy is dus 6 jaar na Andre Gauch en Jacqueline de Cret se huwelik oorlede, en daarom onwaarskynlik om die vader van Andre Gauch te wees. Op hierdie Pierre se profiel op Geni word aangegee dat hy in Pont de Montvert oorlede is en te Homburg begrawe is wat volgens die voormelde bron onjuis is. Verder word sy vrou hier op Geni aangegee as Jeanne / Johanna Clerq terwyl hy ten tyde van sy dood die man van Marguerite Bely was. Ek vermoed dat daar hier gewoon verwarring is met Andre Gauch se tweede vrou Jeanne/Jannetje de Clercq.

Ek verneem graag na bronne om die koppeling te ondersteun.

Groete,
Louis

Louis is it possible to give us a more exact URL of the marriage doc? Is there any way you can upload it?

Ball agrees with you:

"André Gauch, smith and farmer, living in Drakenstein Born: Le Pont-de-Montvert, Languedoc - died 26 February 1698 x Jacqueline Decré 13 January 1683 Celigny, Geneva died before 1691 (assumed) xx Johanna de Clercq 19 August 1691 Stellenbosch, born Zeeland, died circa 1748"...The marriage entry in the Celigny, Geneva, register gives his father's name as the late Pierre Gauch of Pont de Monvers aux Sevens http://www.eggsa.org/articles/PieterGous-by RichardBall.htm

cf Andrè Gauch, SV/PROG & Jacqueline Decré, SM

I've created a temporary alternative father profile - Pierre Gauch so we don't mess with the possibly accurate info on the other Pierre Gauch

We can merge them if we decide they are indeed the same nan.

Thank you for all the research you've put in here. I look forward to hearing from the other managers.

Johan Hefer , the info for the Pierre Gauch who is the son of Salomon Gauche & Jeane Gauche & is married to Jeanne Johanna Gauche with a sister Marie Genin Michelet all seems to come from a My Heritage Smart Copy. Do you have any primary source evidence to validate it?

see also

Andre & Etienne Gauch in Boucher

The blacksmith Andre Gauch came from Le Pont-de-Montvert on the Tarn, in the Saint-Germain-de-Calberte colloquy of the synodal province of the Cevennes.76 Among others from this region of Gevaudan who are known to have become fugitives were Jean and Jacques Gauch. Andre was the son of Pierre Gauch and made his escape to Switzerland.78 An account of his further history before emigrating to the Cape of Good Hope will be found in the next chapter.

Calvinism resisted sporadic attempts to eradicate it in the late seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. In was here in the Cevennes that the protracted Camisard revolt took place, spearheaded by Abraham Ma- zel’s attack to free Calvinist prisoners in 1702 at Le Pont de Montvert, home of the Gauch family.

  • M. Boucher.M (1981). French speakers at the Cape: The European Background. Pretoria, UNISA: Ch 6: Cape settlers II: from the Rhone to the Atlantic p157

One young settler at the Cape was apparently born in or near Geneva about the year 1684. Although no baptismal entry for Etienne Gauch has been found, we are indebted to C. Graham Botha for the discovery in 1920 of the entry on January 13, 1683 of the marriage at Celigny of his father Andre Gauch from Le Pont-de-Montvert in the Cevennes to Jacqueline, daughter of the late Louis Deere of Sauverny.Celigny is in a small enclave of Geneva on the western shore of the Lake of Geneva towards Nyon. It is evident that Andre Gauch had left France some time before the revocation; his bride’s father was also probably a refugee, as Sauverny is in the Pays de Gex.

Andre Gauch became a member of the Walloon church in Amsterdam on April 16, 1690 and was accompanied to the United Provinces by his wife and son. A daughter Marie was born to them in the Dutch seaport and baptized on May 28, 1690.18 The family may have spent some time in Basle before leaving Switzerland. A Jean Gauch came to Amsterdam from that city in March 1697. Andre Gauch and his son Etienne reached the Cape in 1691 aboard the Amsterdam East Indiaman Spier-dijk, commanded by Siarwert de Jonge. Whether Jacqueline Deere and Marie died in the United Provinces or on the outward voyage has not been determined.

  • M. Boucher.M (1981). French speakers at the Cape: The European Background. Pretoria, UNISA: Ch 7: Cape Settlers III: from South-Eastern France and Adjoining Territories p173

Goeienaand Sharon

Dankie vir jou hulp! Ek het 'n kopie van die toepaslike bladsy uit die huweliksregister van Celigny opgelaai en aan Andre Gauch, Jacqueline Decre, Pierre Gauch en Louis Decre gekoppel. Andre en Jacqueline se huweliksinskrywing is op bladsy 7 aan di regterkant vierde van bo.

Groete,
Louis

Thank you. Johan says he only has the MH data to go on, so I think that disconnection can stay.

Ek stem saam. Die koppeling lyk vir my twyfelagtig aangesien die ouers albei in Sedan gebore en oorlede is, en hul kinders dan waarskynlik ook in Sedan gebore is. Sedan is nogal vêr verwyderd van Le Pont de Montvert ...

Dankie Louis

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