Mary "Polly" Allen (Hicks) - from my personal email

They are calling Joseph Hicks Indian Joe so I added it to his profile. I also added his year of birth and alt year of birth from the census we find him.

I have no idea where Nancy Downs comes in but I do know there are supposedly two coup[les in different generations named Joseph Hicks and Nancy Downs.

I do not believe this "Indian Joe" is the man who "escaped" the Trail of Tears from the story but I do know the story has been passed down for a very long time and there is likely an origin to it...

Also, I am not 100% certain our relationship to Chief Charles Renatus Hicks but I have DNA matches to confirmed descendants and I do believe it is through him.

The Y for our Hicks is from the Virginia group.

I will be upgrading my nephew's kit soon.

Adry Hicks

Nancy Hicks

Joseph Hicks, 1817

Nancy Hicks

I have DNA matches from descendants of enough of them that everyone is decided that these are the same family. Fentress County and Morgan County and Roane County in Tennessee and Wayne County in Kentucky.

We do not know the final resting place of Adry but the grave for Nancy Melinda Hicks is confirmed and she probably died in the home of her daughter Matilda Matilda Margaret Reeves whose gravestone says is a "daughter of the Cherokee Nation"

In the meantime.... this is EXHAUSTING!
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Private User I have the difficulty of not searching the rolls because there are too many same or similar named and I do not believe they lived on a "reservation". I think the NA just makes it harder for me to find them.
They were in Roane where there was a tremendous loss of records and they were in the mountains in East Tennessee before they ended up in Oklahoma, Missouri, Illinois, Arkansas

Several of my cousins have said some were born "on the reservation" but I don't know thatto be correct.

Cora Bebout's descendants say that. Others as well.
But I lived in Oklahoma near a military base and went to school with kids bussed in from the reservations and know it is not a thing to just "say"

Mainly, I dislike the mean mean stuff that comes along with this part of the search and maybe I try to not dive in there? Just looking for a fourth great grandparent and trying to avoid conflict lol

Private User it can also be from the Reeves. Matilda's husband.

William Ross Reeves 's brother married three women, all Cherokee.
Several of his children were on the rolls but I don't know that all were.
FAG mentions " two sons with Margaret Alidia Littlejohn and they were registered on the Cherokee rolls: Hogan Tilly Reeves and Jesse Whitaker Reeves."

I guess I could try to flesh out their trees but I mostly work from DNA matches and try to find records. I find the Native American specific research to be difficult and since I am not looking for Native Americans but looking for ancestors, that has played a part.

I am looking forward to this Genealogical Society story coming out and hope they can shed some light on our Hicks.

The biography for my William J Hicks says his grandfather was Allen and Allen had 3 wives and thirty six children.... maybe this is why the DNA matches are showing my born in 1814 ancestor as a sibling to a born in the 1830's sibling. I just don't know if the bio is correct but it makes as much sense as anything else and all the other info in that bio is 100% correct.

My Ancestry DNA Thru Lines for the Hicks' of Fentress TN and Morgan County TN show that I am related to both groups. Mary "Polly" L Hicks is my 2nd GGMother through her daughter, Mary Allen, daughter of Mary "Polly" L Hicks and James W Allen, resident of the Coalfield community of Morgan County. Mary Allen married Joseph Miller Jones, their son Frederick Deacon Jones is my Grandfather. The Jones family lived in the Joyner area, close to Coalfield. The Thru Lines for Nancy Hicks, wife of "indian Joe" Hicks has me matched with Charles Renatus Hicks and some of his descendants. When I go through the Thru Lines for this Nancy Hicks, wife of "Indian Joe" it says that Adrey Hicks is a son of this Nancy but a half uncle to me. The Thru Lines do not show Adrey coming from "Indian Joseph Hicks" side.

Census records for Allen Hicks do not confirm that Allen Hicks had 37 children. I have a record of seven children, but perhaps some have already left home. I have not been able to find his wife's name. Allen Hicks is in the Census of 1810 in KY living 1 family from a John Hicks. This John Hicks has a son and his family living with him whom I believe is the John Hicks who married Rachel Henderson and their 3 children. The residence between them is Swain, the family of the wife of Richard Hicks of NC, Richard died in the 1812 War and his widow married a Swain. What a pot of confusion! I have census data for Allen Hicks in the Richmond NC area.

My Thru lines in Fentress county show me as a descent of John Hicks and Chrissie Mills. I share DNS with their descendants in Fentress County. I hope my info can be of help to some one else who wants to figure this all out. I am privileged to own a necklace that belonged to Mary Allen, whose mother was Mary "Polly L Hicks. Katy Woods, a descendant of Mary Allen and Joseph Deacon Jones had the beaded necklace in tiny sections. I am a quilter and beaded and put it back together and it framed and hanging in my home. It certainly doesn't look like a necklace that was current for the English market at the time. I have a picture of Mary Allen Jones wearing it. It is a treasure to me.

Thrulines are just clues.

Does anyone have sources for Chrissie Mills?
And Nancy Downs?

I think the cemetery in Fentress held a lot of clues at one time

I think Allen and Joseph "Indian Joe" (I don't like the moniker) are brothers.

I believe that John and Allen are brother also. The other interesting census tidbit is that Allen Hicks is living next-door to James Spruling who moved his family to Fentress County TN. There were marriages between these families in Fentress County. And yes, I don't like "Indian Joe" either.

<3
Thank you, cousin.
We'll get there.
I'm too stubborn to give up and I absolutely adored my father. This is his line.
I have found "his" "French and Irish" now just to confirm the more recent "Indian"
I think that the loss of records has especially hit this family line but also the proximity makes it difficult and the time frame adds a bit. Anyway.
Exhausted again by them today.
Gonna see the youngest grandson tomorrow so I will take a day off from genealogy to spend it with living breathing progeny :D

Per Quarterly Newsletter "Generations":

Morgan County Deed Book N p261: Joseph Hicks leases to the Knoxville Oil and Mining Company 100 acres lying on the Little Emory River in the 1st civil district on July 3rd, 1865 for 99 years. This land being the homeplace of Joseph Hicks joins the lands of J. W. Hicks, Wm Jackson and others. The agreement was that the company would give the said Joseph Hicks 1/10th of all products mined, bored, or otherwise found on the property.

THIS would be a valid SOURCE for the name Jackson as a middle name for William J Hicks.

William J. Hicks