John Martin, of Old Rappahannock County - R-BY27212 (Y-DNA)

I don't know that a discussion on Geni about Y-DNA results will be of much use. I recommend the FTDNA Y-DNA Project for the Martin family. They have discussions related to the Y-DNA matches, etc. My son is a member on FTDNA for the project for his paternal surname and it was on FTNDA that one of my lines was sorted out by the surname project group years back.

With all due respect, Debbie, I belong to the Martin Surname Group, where I have numerous matches. We are trying every which way to prove the lineage, so I humbly disagree with you that Geni is not the place to discuss this. Just the opposite. We pay big bucks to belong to its parent company, and thus we have a right to ask questions and participate in discussions. I have 229 cousins following my private Facebook genealogy page, and many of us have spent decades trying to find our paternal ancestors and especially to find our immigrant forefather.

I have been researching my family since the 1970s. I have spent a fortune on testing. I have taken Advanced YDNA training. What I want to see are the facts. This profile has none, yet it is labeled a Master Profile and has incredibly important information like a YDNA haplogroup and a possible immigration clue. Where is the sourcing? Someone in Geni land put up this information.

For example, the YDNA is attributed to R-BY27212 based on a "private" tester at 67 Markers. I know for a fact that this cannot be possible. A 67 Markers test - which is no longer sold - only would show that the YDNA haplogroup is R-M198. The only way it could be R-BY27212 is if the tester took the BigY-500 (the old version) or BigY-700 (the new version). So why isn't that information relevant? It certainly is of great interest to the dozen men who are trying to find their common ancestor.

In fact, Debbie, I would propose that a YDNA discussion is of great interest if not only for proving a paper trail but also a genetic one.

Respectfully disagreeing with you.

Ken, I wasn't trying to be argumentative, just that I've tried to have Y-DNA discussions on Geni due to the fact that there are a number of male profiles with multiple haplogroups attached, my son's paternal line being one of them, and I've never gotten anywhere with my efforts. So I was speaking from my personal experience. Maybe you'll have better luck.

Erica and Debbie, that information helps. I already know the identity of this tester and spoke with his family about two years ago :)

I also know that we are in Group 8, not Group 1, because we do not carry the R-M269 SNP.

Group 8 is a very large one with almost 50 testers.

I've also been creating dendrograms to try to sort through so many matches to try to narrow down my immediate surname ancestors. That suggests Shadrack Martin may be the ancestor of great interest to my YDNA line. Shadrack would be on a younger YDNA branch than R-BY27212. We have two BigY tests underway that may reveal more in the coming weeks.

Thanks for your replies.

My brother a direct male Martin will be testing Big YDNA and joining the Martin DNA Project. Our great-grandfather was William Lafayette Martin - our 5th Joseph Martin, II -

I was concerned who "Private User" was connected to my great-grandfather because the yDNA doesn't match our direct Martin line. I'm speaking about only surname only Martin men, not cousins of other names that connect. Just a direct Martin man, with direct Martin yDNA, will keep you all posted.

Suzan Martin

Suzan, I am almost 100% sure that your brother will be placed in Group 8 of the Martin Surname Project if you descend from Joseph Martin, and I expect his results will place him on my Block Tree at BigY. His test results could shake up the tree by adding a new branch, or help sort out the connections.

There are 15 men on my Block Tree, and we have added 3 BigY tests in recent weeks. Most of us keep in touch regularly to share any news.

My cousin Alan Williams has used non-matching private variants to create an amazing "tree" that shows how we are all related, as we begin to hone in on which Martin man is our common ancestor. We'll be pleased to see your brother's results in the coming weeks.

Ken

This great-grandfather being a Dane from the Netherlands would answer the 26% percentage of Sweden and Denmark in my DNA I haven't been able to trace.

The Paternal Wellborn Men on my lineage are R-BY61463 so the R-BY matches lol 😂