Edmund Crouchback, 1st Earl of Leicester and Lancaster - Dukedom of Lancaster and Leicester

Started by Jodi Rae née Trogstad Brennan, 'Queen Regent' on Saturday, November 5, 2022
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Hello. I am broaching the subject of the entitlement to the Dukedom of Lancaster and Leicester.

I realized some time before Elizabeth II Mountbatten death, while her spouse Philip were still near her on earth, that she was the possessor of the title, 'Duke of Lancaster', and received revenues for the Dukedom of Lancaster. She was referred to as 'the Duke of Lancaster' rather than Duchess. I have not been able to discern the reasoning of this, or why there is not mention of this on Wikipedia, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_Elizabe...]. I did however, just find this article in prep of this dialogue [https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1352395/Queen-title-queen-eliz...].

I have claimed that the 'Dukedom of Lancaster and Leicester' are united and I am deserving of this title and the revenues that are associated to it, as well as all of the encumbrances.

I would also mention that on the Wikipedia page above, Elizabeth was provisioned a title as 'Lord of Mann'. This title belonged to my direct ancestors, the 'Duke of Derby'.

I am currently very puzzled regarding these titles, how they were being directed over that last seventy years even though the Mountbatten's, King George V, was associated with Adolph Hitler doing business with him as a lead in to World War II.

My mother has known from a very young age, as well as my father that they had royal ancestry, they just could not discern it, due to the nature of about 5 - 7 generations of knowns to my father and mother, but the next 7 - 8 generations that connected to the persons such as Edmund 'Crouchback' Plantagenet, etc. were not easily discovered on the United States soil.

I am arguing that the United States government knew of my parents and their parents, and basically everyone and anyone else who could come close to claiming the crown or its governance.

I am not certain and did attempt to ascertain, was Elizabeth II aware of the profoundness of her father and mother's association to Hitler and did protect the titles to the best of her ability for her own family or was it indeed a response of hers as a true sovereign of the United Kingdom to maintain them in view of persons such that in the likelihood of events such as this venue and other genealogical venues that someone somewhere would come to initiate a responsibility to these communities.

Either way it should be observed, that 'having the Crown Jewels' is special, but it isn't really just about that. You cannot be wealthy off of a body of people who are down-trodden and unable to pay taxes.

It is that the land and estates that generated the taxes that helped Elizabeth II, Mountbatten become the richest woman in the world, did belong to others and has been misdirected even through 'Acts' of legislation within England, and an attempted through Scotland, which is how Donald Trump was able to 'crenulate' his golf course's on the Carrick land that my parents had rights to inherit.

I was only slightly aware of the issue with regard to people in the United Kingdom being very upset about Donald Trump 'getting land' that was not his to have and building his golf course. I did not even think much about it. Then after much information put forth into the public I realized when a person descends as they do and are entitled to inalienable inheritable Suo jure rights, and there are 'Acts of Legislation' put forth as legal documents changing these within the last twenty five years, I consider this illegal moves of someone.

That is why it is important to have this documented. It has happened, the changing of inalienable inheritable Suo jure rights, and 'Acts of legislation' were put into place. I became aware of something 'not quite right' when working at York International Corporation, a large industrial HVAC company based in Pennsylvania, that was purchased by Johnson Controls, Inc. of Milwaukee Wisconsin, in 2005. The 'Acts' of legislation were created in the mid-to-late 1990's.

I have made the claim to the 'Crown of Scotland', the 'Great Seal of Scotland', that which neither, Elizabeth I or Elizabeth II actually held, though they did attempt to alter this and created a 'Great Seal of Scotland' with the image of Elizabeth II, this was a treasonous action.

I have claimed the 'Crown of England', (Blanche, of Lancaster - the oldest crown of England, held in Belgium), and I have claimed the 'Great Seal of England', due to the nature of my realization of the situation, that Charles Mountbatten's mother was 'touted', not sure if 'declared; in a court of law, by Nicola Sturgeon, First Minister of Scotland, as being a war-criminal, associated to World War II, i.e.: destruction of property, and loss of life and cost.

The Mountbatten's were denied rights to the title 'House of Windsor', and I have claimed this also.

I am a descendant of the builder of Edinburgh, the Baillie, Thomas Robertson, and I have also claimed that Edinburgh Castle, Stirling Castle, and Caerlaverock Castle for myself. I have also noted that Dalkeith Palace has been 'leased' to the University of Wisconsin-Superior, my now alma mater, and I claim that also. Dalkeith Palace has been leased since 1985, and I am certain my former in-law's, whose patriarch was the financial business manager of Adolph Hitler, and King George VI and Elizabeth I, knew of my personal situation as early as the 1970's but with them late in the 1970's.

Edmund Crouchback, 1st Earl of Leicester and Lancaster is your 23rd great uncle.
You
→ Elza Dzelvite (Grahpe,Grāpe)
your mother → Jahn Grahpe
her father → Baron Arnold Julius von Vietinghoff-Riesch
his father → Juliane Charlotte Lulla von Vietinghoff
his mother → Helene Gertrude von Krüdener
her mother → Bsse Helene Maria Esther von Völckersahm
her mother → Helene d'Orville von Löwenclau
her mother → Isaac d'Orville von Löwenclau
her father → Peter Friedrich d'Orville
his father → Pierre Peter d'Orville
his father → Samuel d'Orville
his father → Anne Godin, de Tampezo
his mother → Christophe Godin
her father → Isabeau Picot
his mother → François Picot
her father → François Picot
his father → Catherine de Licques
his mother → Gilles de Licques
her father → Lancelot de Lisques
his father → Florent de Lisques
his father → Marie de Chatillon
his mother → Marguerite de Dampierre
her mother → Isabelle de Brienne
her mother → Beatrice (Beatrix) de Châtillon
her mother → Mathilde van Brabant
her mother → Blanche of Artois
her daughter → Edmund Crouchback, 1st Earl of Leicester and Lancaster
her husband

Jodi Rae née Trogstad Brennan, 'Queen Regent', your post seems to be focused more on claims to United Kingdom peerage titles than on genealogy. Is there a genealogical question in there that I missed?

Also, please note that practically everyone of western European heritage has royal ancestry. Here are a couple of articles that touch on that:

* https://www.foxnews.com/story/genealogist-almost-everyone-on-earth-...
* https://www.popsci.com/descended-from-royalty/

Edmund Crouchback, 1st Earl of Leicester and Lancaster is your 23rd great grandfather.

Well yes, there is a 'question regarding genealogy' in my statement.

It is that this website, 'Geni', I have used to place facts that are/were knowns to me. Then I discovered as time has gone on that there are connections that were placed on my own person within a degree to make a public claim regarding 'Peerages' of England, Scotland, Ireland, etc., within Parliament. this is personal as the 'Geni', 'about page' describes is the degree of presence of this website application, https://www.geni.com/corp/.

As our society slowly changes, and more and more people rely on this type of platform to understand and realize historical facts, they will eventually come to understand the dynamics of titles, land ownership, and revenues of estates or the 'Crowns', and rights of Suo jure, inalienable inheritable rights, and association to legal matters within Parliament, as many of their ancestors do have rights that have been administered over the last 50 to 100 years, and recently removed during the 1990's, by Parliament, and titles are represented within this platform by many, on many profiles such that discerning people will eventually find their way to this comprehension of legal matters.

So it is that 'claims' made or who has entitlements, I have placed the history of my research from many resources here to become a part of history within the 'Geni' genealogical tree of my own person and my family.

The discussion for me is, accurateness to the historical figures and the logical association of living persons who do have entitlements that our modern day legislation has acted on and how most persons did not realize this and I feel will want to be recognized. How we will represent this?

Maybe this statement I made should be on the source page rather than the discussion page, however, I was looking for a discussion.

I only learned within the last four years of this exactness to my descendancy, yet feel that for the most part the information has been available to the FBI or CIA or the United States governing body, or the Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or the United Kingdom specifically and was withheld to the lay public due to the want of nature to control or due to the data privacy act and as a matter of my own history by my in-laws, and co-workers. I was related by marriage to the people who had a patriarch who did business with Adolph Hitler and the Mountbatten's, sat at the dinner table with them most of my life. I worked for York International Corporation, and Johnson Controls, Inc. and the name brand 'York' was purchased to associate to it and build revenue.

I believe that this website 'Geni' is a very useful tool to provision the lay public with this type of information typically available to persons within the 'hallowed halls' of the British Parliament, (now online for a fee), or the United States Government Law Library.

Though it appears that for the most part titles and advancements in parliament are noted on many profiles, however, this is due to many persons who are very excited and anxious to be a part of the genealogical advancement and care of historical figures and they do coincide with modern one another's.

As a living modern active person, speaking to the personal business of not only my own ancestry, but others, I am wanting to discuss the absolute truth 'of rights to claim' and be actively engaged in this claim within Parliament as the Geni 'about' page describes is the place for this application certainly if Charles Mountbatten is crowned 'King Charles III' he will be a leader of the most vast region that is unheard of on this earth. And it is not a correct genealogical placement of titles, and rights for as you've stated the many who have European heritage that provide for their right to claim.

This is my quest for placing this statement within the discussion area rather than the 'source' area.

Beware! Royal detractors often find themselves a Guest of the Tower! You should petition that magnificent Herald, The Lord Lyon of Arms with your claims and not the commoners....

Thank you for the advise. I have already, as well the 'Lord Press Office', of England. I am not actually a royal detractor, I only observed along the way the situation and thus began to initiate the dialogue to those entities. That was my reason for initiating the discussion. I am certain there are others out there in a similar circumstance and not sure about how to give it go. The fact is, people die, and most people in the United States had absolutely no idea they had entitlements to titles, estates, and land. Maybe dreamed about it, but had no idea because there wasn't this 'commoner' venue such as Geni, and other sites that are literally becoming somewhat of a people's encyclopedia, then as intelligence springs forth and in an attempt to maintain land, buildings, and enjoy the finer things in life, it is almost a responsibility of us as family members and commers as you've stated to be aware of this for the future generations to recognize and rejoice and be responsible, not leave it to Charles Mountbatten, or another royal that shouldn't have the right to 'place person in the tower'. That is archaic. I actually had a person state my descendancy is associated to the guillotines and a lot of people are aware of this, as now I am understanding. I am grateful for the information so I can manage the commonality I have to exist in in America. Thank you to those who have built this website and perform to bring us to the lineage. It is a delicate process.

This post is too long and involved to figure what your question is. Can you break down each subject please? Thank you

Elizabeth II Mountbatten, and members of the English Parliament, who had former knowledge of inalienable inheritable Suo jure rights of entitlements to persons who live within the global community, yet in the 1990's did make 'Acts' to remove these rights of inheritable entitlement.

I am looking for Geni to observe titles more appropriately for historical accuracy. Currently, the Lord Lyon of Scotland has been responsive to direct me to England when it concerns English titles, yet has not responded to my request for process of titles that should have automatically occurred through my family.

Elizabeth II Mountbatten did not have right to rule Scotland, yet is recently displayed within Wikipedia as having that title. She did not have right to Crown governance, nor the 'Great Seal of Scotland', nor did she in fact have entitlement to the 'Great Seal of England' or in fact the 'Crown governance', of England.

These events we are all just becoming more familiar with as we work through our genealogy, yet I think it is important to understand and provide as a component of the profile.

The Crown governance does not automatically go to Charles Mountbatten. Nor should his children have been endowed with the titles they have.

And to break it down even further, before Geni, Wikitree, or any other genealogical website existed, I was being tasked through my Human Resource person(s) at my employment to participate in software programs that I did not have any idea was associating to my genealogy. Many persons are experiencing this.

Historians or professor discussing guillotines is one thing, when lay people do it pointedly, and I have no idea what it means to me without going to a genealogical website and working through my genealogy, to discover I descend from whole families that have been removed from their 'royal palaces' and murder is different.

I just think it is important for lay persons to have access to this and not have it reside in the 'halls of justice', or 'hallowed halls of history'. This is the one way to affect people to move to their family inheritable and manage history rather than it simply being put into Historic Environment of Scotland or UNESCO.

Edmund Crouchback, 1st Earl of Leicester and Lancaster is your 21st great grand Uncle.

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