Robert Tucker, of Milton - Robert Tucker can't have 2 different Y DNA. Someone has the wrong male path.

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I was nearby in the tree and noticed that this profile has 2 Y DNA (R-M198 and R-YP282). The Y DNA goes from father to son to son to son, etc. and it can ONLY be a single Y. If you have a different Y, you have a different father.

Have you looked at the DNA tree to see where the profiles diverge?

What I find strange is that ALL of his sons ALSO have the 2 Y DNA. Is there some way to track DNA separately, other than look at each individual son/grandson/ etc.. profile?

Did the DNA come up from today,, and was then applied to all his sons? How can I tell which was the initial profile with the DNA?

A lot of the sons/grandsons/greatgrandsons/2nd great grandsons, etc don't have kids in the tree. but as far as I can tell, they ALL have the same 2 Y DNA. They would be expected to have the same DNA.. And it seems to have done the same to male relatives to my 8th great grandfather, where my DNA stops.. they all then have mine.

But is there any way to see the most current profile in a family tree? They were all propagated up from somewhere and then over and down to every direct male.

I’ll try to show the steps to analyzing where Y DNA propagates from so we can correct pedigree errors.

DNA tab shows

Daniel Floyd Tucker
R-M198 from Y-37

John Richard Tucker
8th great grandson
R-YP282 from Y-111

Hazen Tucker
R-M198 from Y-67

John Henry Cunningham
8th great grandson
R-BY42275 from Y-111

View Detail link opens up the DNA tree

https://www.geni.com/list/dna_to?focus_id=6000000012577225146&dna_test_type=y

I see Robert > Benjamin > UNKNOWN > (No Name) …. John Henry Cunningham 8th great grandson R-BY42275 from Y-111

John Henry Cunningham

Robert Tucker, of Milton is John Henry Cunningham's 8th great grandfather.
https://www.geni.com/path/John-Cunningham+is+related+to+Robert-Tucker-of-Milton?from=6000000045881038185&path_type=blood&to=6000000012577225146

There are no notes to link Ephraim Tucker as son of
Benjamin Tucker, Jr.

If there is evidence, the connection can be restored, but so far, I do not see a reason they should connected.

That removes propagation of DNA Markers: R-BY42275 to Robert Tucker and his descendants.

  1. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/tucker?iframe=yresults R - MASSACHUSETTS GROUP # 1 (MA1) Robert Tucker b. 8 Jun 1604 and d. 11 Mar 1682 England R-M269; R-BY45632; R-FT237870;
  2. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tucker-764 shows Y-DNA Test 700 markers, haplogroup R-BY148732; Y-Chromosome Test 20000 markers, haplogroup R-U152

The tests are different so therefore, the haplgroups are different. Need to ensure the difference is not just a nomenclature/ test marker difference.


https://www.quora.com/Are-Y-Haplogroups-R-M198-and-R-M512-the-same-...

SNP’s M198, M512, M17, and about 40 others are all associated with the same haplogroup, sometimes called R-M198, sometimes R-M512, sometimes R-M17, and originally R1a1a. You can read more about R1a1a in this WikiPedia article: Haplogroup R1a - Wikipedia.

While they are equivalent in the sense they are all associated with the same haplogroup, as SNP’s they are not the same - they represent variants in different locations of the Y chromosome. Being associated with the same haplogroup just means that no tester has yet been identified with only one of these variants, and not some of the others. That is necessary in order to determine which ones came first, as their first occurrence could easily be separated by centuries.


https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-M198/story branched off from the ancestor R-M459. He is the ancestor of at least 2 descendant lineages known as R-M417 and R-YP1051.

https://www.genetichomeland.com/dna-marker/chromosome-Y/YP282 R-YP282 Found in haplogroup R1a under YP285 on YFull and FTDNA trees.

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-BY148732/story branched off from the ancestor R-YP5084. He is the ancestor of at least 2 descendant lineages known as R-Y40995 and 1 yet unnamed lineage. There are 3 DNA tested descendants, and they specified that their earliest known origins are from England.

I’m pretty sure R-YP282 is a subclade of R1a1a from which also derives M198.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a

Ancestor Haplogroup R1
Descendants R1a-Z282, R1a-Z93

https://www.geni.com/path/Robert-Tucker-of-Milton+is+related+to+John-Tucker?from=6000000012577225146&path_type=blood&to=6000000042194957537

On the DNA tab for him, Hazen Tucker

Hazen Tucker
R-M198 from Y-67 (check)

Daniel Floyd Tucker
R-M198 from Y-37 (view conflict)

Which doesn’t actually make sense as a conflict, since they’re brothers.

At https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tucker-4023 Y DNA shows propagated as Y-DNA Test 700 markers, haplogroup R-BY148732 & Y-Chromosome Test 20000 markers, haplogroup R-U152

Also, Hazen & Daniel Floyd Tucker are deceased, so it is unlikely they tested. In fact, their profiles were added by John Richard Tucker So how did (older) tests get attached to them?

I need to learn more about exactly how DNA matches work. That will be my summer project.

It doesn’t help that they change the names. :)

The DNA tree on geni is a little slow but really useful, as is the DNA ancestor compare report. I’ve been able to find and fix most tree errors that way.

And I use the surname spreadsheet projects at FamilyTree DNA.

Wikitree now has a template where their Gedmatch IDs match up with profiles. Geni is less public about it - the DNA match tab. I have found Wikitree identified Y DNA notes useful in sorting tree errors.

Y & MT DNA test results linked from FamilySearch to geni profiles propagate 10 generations, AT DNA is four only.

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