Ardevaste 'the Greek' Balthes, Prince of the Visigoths - Parents

Debbie Gambrell - can you add notes to the profile abouts?

To be sure.

Are you saying the two profiles are the same

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000189160702845

Ardebasto & Ardebasto

And with no parents?

“Group” Jason Scott Wills you are summoned.

There have been recent changes in this area.

Disconnecting the parental relationship to Atanagildo and Flavia Juliana

Re-curating from Victar.

Thank you for spotting.

Disconnecting Galswintha, queen consort of Neustria as his wife.

GALSWINTHA (-murdered [567]). Gregory of Tours records the marriage of King Chilperic and Galswintha, older daughter of King Atanagildo, after the marriage of King Sigebert to her younger sister, specifying that she converted from Arianism to Catholicism and came to France with a large dowry, but never stopped complaining about the insults she had to endure to the king who eventually had her garrotted by one of his servants[182]. Herimannus names "Geisluindam, sororem Brunæ [filiam Athanagildi regis Gothorum]" as wife of "Hilpericus frater Sigibertus rex", recording that she was strangled by her husband's concubine "Fridegundis"[183]. m (564) as his second wife, CHILPERIC I King of the Franks, son of CLOTAIRE I [Chlothachar] King of the Franks & his fourth wife Arnegundis (before 535-murdered Chelles [27 Sep/9 Oct] 584, bur Paris, Saint-Germain-des-Prés).

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#...

Thank you, Sharon Doubell

ARDABASTO
s/o NN
x ([642]) --- of the Visigoths, niece of CHINDASVINTO King of the Visigoths

• ERVIGIO ([643]-Toledo 15 Nov 687)

cf

• NN, of the Visigoths *Ervigio, King of the Visigoths

My pleasure. So great when people help us spotting errors.

Was Atanagildo even a king or have the children attached? I can’t even find a Wikipedia article on hm.

King Leovigildo & his first wife had two children:

1. HERMENEGILDO “the Holy” ([550/55]-murdered Tarragona 13 Apr 586). … The Iohannis Abbatis Biclarensis Chronica records that Hermenegildo was sent into exile in 584 and in 585 was killed "in urbe Tarraconensi" by "Sisberto"[224]. He was canonised in 1586.

m (579) INGUNDIS [Ingonde] of the Franks, daughter of SIGEBERT I King of the Franks & his wife Brunechildis of the Visigoths ([567/68]-in Africa Autumn 586). ... She fled to Africa with her son after her husband was killed, seeking refuge with the Eastern Emperor[229].

Hermenegildo and his wife had one child:

• a) son . Paulus Diaconus records that, after Ingundis was captured following her husband's death, "filius eius" was handed over to Emperor Mauricius and taken to Constantinople[230]. same person as…? ATANAGILDO. Salazar y Castro, in his genealogical table of the Visigothic kings, shows "Atanagildo" as the son of Hermenegildo, as well as his marriage to "Flavia Juliana hija de Pedro Augusto, hermano del Emperador Mauricio", and their sons "Paulo" and "Ardavasto", as well as the latter´s marriage to "prima, hija o hermana del Rey Cindasuindo"[231] (see below). The primary sources on which these statements are based are not specified. The table includes numerous errors and the information should therefore be viewed with caution.

And more:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingund_(wife_of_Hermenegild)

17th-century Spanish genealogist Luis Bartolomé de Salazar y Castro gave Ardabast's father as Athanagild, the son of Saint Hermenegild and Ingund, and his mother as Flavia Juliana, a daughter of Peter Augustus and niece of the Emperor Maurice.[20] This imperial connection is disputed by Christian Settipani, who says that the only source for Athanagild's marriage to Flavia Julia is José Pellicer, who he claims to be a forger.[21]

There is no Atangildo ll as king of the Visigoths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigothic_Kingdom

https://www.cervantesvirtual.com/bib/historia/monarquia/visigodos.s...

Unless anyone can say differently, I will remove the title and family from Atanagildo

Husband of Flavia Juliana
Father of Ofilón, I; Paulo Balthes and Estéban Balthes

Thanks for all that research work, Erica.

Hi Private User

You may enjoy looking at this project we’re working on.

Kings of the Visigoths

https://www.geni.com/projects/Kings-of-the-Visigoths/4491311

Private User This Discussion is the managers' chance to provide the primary sources. That's why those profiles are deliberately linked into the Discussion as we disconnect. It automatically alerts the managers, and provides reference to the profile so we can easily reconnect if we find proof of validity.
In more than 95% of cases, managers never reply, and there is so much to do on Geni that the initial request is lost until we come across it again - often years later - still not sorted out, unless we've done it simultaneous to the alert.

cf Atanagildo, rey de los visigodos , Goiswintha, Visigoth queen consort , Galswintha, queen consort of Neustria

Private User - see notes at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwig

According to the 9th-century Chronicle of Alfonso III, Erwig was the son of Ardabast, who had journeyed from the Byzantine Empire to Hispania during the time of Chindasuinth, and married Chindasuinth's niece Goda.[3] Ardabast (or Artavasdos), was probably an Armenian or Persian Christian exile in Constantinople or in Byzantine Africa. In Hispania he was made a count.[4]
Seventeenth-century Spanish genealogist Luis Bartolomé de Salazar y Castro gave Ardabast's father as Athanagild, the son of Saint Hermenegild and Ingund, and his mother as Flavia Juliana, a daughter of Peter Augustus and niece of the Emperor Maurice.[5] This imperial connection is disputed by Christian Settipani, who says that the only source for Athanagild's marriage to Flavia Julia is José Pellicer, who he claims to be a forger.[6]

So possible adjustments to Ardebasto

• he wasn’t a prince, was he? A count?
• he wasn’t at a Balti dynasty member, was he? So why the surname Balthes?
• I don’t see the second child for him & “Goda” at Medlands??? Added “Goda” & Gada to AKA field for NN, of the Visigoths

I added N.N. as parent of NN, of the Visigoths & sibling of Chindasvinto, King of the Visigoths

I've updated the name. Usually I try to do the minimal amount on profiles I don't manage, presuming the managers have come to a consensus conclusion using facts. I agree that I don't see any supporting that name here. Thank you.

There seems to be a lag in updating Display Name right now.

Re:

I added N.N. as parent of NN, of the Visigoths & sibling of Chindasvinto, rey de los visigodos

Great idea. I've locked the relationships