Emne Pollard (Doddiscombe) - Dates for Emma Doddiscombe

Hi Private User

I did some cleanup yesterday.

• Dates removed; the Geni algorithm now shows birth: “estimated between 1345 and 1345.” This is based on “nearby” profile data. Personally, suspect that in the absence of records, this is our best solution. Are we sure the child dates are accurate? Walter is an outlier as 1375 and it’s unlikely there’s an actual 25 year difference. So we need to source the children better, perhaps?
• Visitations of Devon (1620) in the Pollarde pedigree clearly prints her name as “Emne.”
• “A view of Devonshire in MDCXXX, with a pedigree of most of its gentry” (1845) calls her Emma, which I’ve added to AKA, going on the assumption that 1620 is closer to the event, so more likely to be what “family records” show.

Are there additional sources we can explore?

I think Wikitree might have elided children into the wrong generation. Visitations do not show the children born in the 1400s.

And indeed, I don’t see, for example, Ann Pollard born 1404 as her daughter. Wikitree shows her as child of John Pollard &. (No one).

Narrative at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pollard-184

Ann Pollard's parents, according to "A View of Devonshire in 1700...," were John Pollard, Esquire, and his wife Eleanor (Copleston) Pollard. Both were about 25 to 27 years old when Ann was born. Some genealogies mistakenly assert that Ann's parents were John Pollard and Emma Dodiscombe but they were her great-grandparents (via their son: Walter Pollard, Esq., m. Elizabeth Cornu, and their son John Pollard, Esq., who married Eleanor Copleston). Ann had 2 brothers: Walter Pollard (who married Joan Barnes of Barnshill, Devonshire), Esq., and Robert Pollard, Esquire.[1]

Private User

Here’s the cleanup on Geni, based largely on “A view of Devonshire in MDCXXX, with a pedigree of most of its gentry,” by Westcote, Thomas, fl. 1624-1636. [from old catalog] (Publication date 1845). Page 552-553.

https://archive.org/details/aviewdevonshire00westgoog/page/553/mode...

Sir John Doddiscombe, of Compton Pole Died by 1346 father of Emma Pollard

Her children

1. Walter Pollard (est 1375 - 1445)
2. Roger Pollard
3. Richard Pollard, of Waye

Dates for Richard don’t work

Wikitree’s

Ann 1404
Robert 1410

Are great grandchildren:

Walter Pollard & Elizabeth Pollard parents of John Pollard, of Way who married
Eleanor Pollard (Dates don’t work)

1. Ann Wood (Wikitree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pollard-184 has correct narrative but wrong linking) (dates don’t work)
2. Walter Pollard, Esq.
3. Robert Pollard, of Way

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https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pollard-184

Ann Pollard's parents, according to "A View of Devonshire in 1700...," were John Pollard, Esquire, and his wife Eleanor (Copleston) Pollard. Both were about 25 to 27 years old when Ann was born. Some genealogies mistakenly assert that Ann's parents were John Pollard and Emma Dodiscombe but they were her great-grandparents (via their son: Walter Pollard, Esq., m. Elizabeth Cornu, and their son John Pollard, Esq., who married Eleanor Copleston).

Ann had 2 brothers: Walter Pollard (who married Joan Barnes of Barnshill, Devonshire), Esq., and Robert Pollard, Esquire.[1]

OK, trying again to nail dates better.

From https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Doddiscombe-5 which shows Emma as born 1326;

Marriage and Children

Marrried: Cicely Unknown.

Children of John Doddiscombe:

John Doddiscombe left five daughters as co-heiresses, all of whom can be traced as the ancestors of the current royal family of England.

1. Agnes Doddiscombe, m1. William Gorges (no issue) m. Adam Branscombe m3. Richard Champernon of
2. Alice Doddiscombe. m. Sir William Bigbury
3. Cecily Doddiscombe, m1. Simon de Newenham m2. Sir John Worthe
4. Emma Doddiscombe. m. John Pollard
5. Joan Doddiscombe. m. Nicholas Tremayne

Death

Died: Between 14 June 1339 and 1346.

He was last known living 14 June 1339 when he appears as a witness on a grant.[3] He was dead by the time of the 1346 Feudal Aid assessment when his property is given as held by his wife Cecily or by the heirs of John Doddiscombe. It was Cecily who presented at Doddiscombsleigh on 8 December 1347 and again on 5 Feb. 1349.[4][5] She was dead by 23 March 1363 when John de Newenham had the next presentation at Doddiscombsleigh.[6]

Research notes

Dates:

• - John Doddiscombe was an adult by 1303.
  • - Agnes (1330)
    • - Ibote Branscombe (1355)
    • - Robert Britt (1380)
      • - Margaret born 1406; Elizabeth born 1410

https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/bF9ElVAD4ss/m/...

It would seem that the obvious solution is that Joan, wife of Nicholas Tremaine and ancestor of Walter Raleigh, MP, was the GRANDdaughter of John Doddiscombe through Elizabeth, but not by husband John Gorges. We don't know how many husbands she had

From *“Daughters of John de Doddiscombe” (April 1, 2013) < GoogleGroups > cites

• * 1. Leo’s Genealogics page for Joan Doddiscombe http://tinyurl.com/bt4yw64
  • 2. Visitations of the County of Devon, Comprising the Heralds Visitations of 1531, 1564 and 1620, by J.L. Vivian (1895). P. 730 http://tinyurl.com/cpxn3xo Joan dau. and heir of John Dodescombe m. Nicholas Tremayne 40yo in 1408
  • 3. Visitations of the County of Cornwall in the Years 1530, 1573 and 1620, ed. by J.L. Vivian (1887). P. 616 Tremayne. http://tinyurl.com/blrs2s2
  • 4. Devonshire Parishes vol. 1, by Charles Worthy (1887). http://tinyurl.com/235lek7
  • 5. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry VII, Vol. 2 (13-20 Henry VII 1497-1505). P. 468 John Tremayn holding his portion in 1503 http://tinyurl.com/bmreyk8
  • 6. Cal. of Fine Rolls vol. XV (1422-1430). p. 42, 111, 319 http://tinyurl.com/36tdula
  • 7. Journal of the Royal Institution of Cornwall, vol. XI for 1891-1893, (pub. 1895). http://tinyurl.com/d54nu48

Updated Richard Pollard, of Waye