Lazarus Stewart, Sr. - Y-DNA Propagated to Lazarus Stewart – Confirmation Obtained (Cleanup Needed)

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FTDNA Y-700 results show Lazarus Stewart descended from Sir John Stewart (1350 – 1441), Sheriff of Bute, Arran, and Cumbrae, the son of Robert II, King of Scots. As documented in the FTDNA “Stewart-Bute” and “Stewart-Royal” projects, this line is distinguishable through the following SNPs below the R-L746 branch: FTT46, Y14197, and Y14198.

Specifically, to Lazarus, FTDNA kits 14486, 993678, 977797, B886018, and 971822 show that descendants of Lazarus carry the [R-FT74278] SNP. This determination was acquired through testing descendants of David Stewart 1722-1798 and James Stewart 1723-1817.

As of the date of this posting, this SNP (R-FT74278) has been propagated by two Geni profiles; however, there are other SNP’s that have been propagated which are not related to this line. How do we go about cleaning up these SNP’s that have been propagated?

In addition, with the above-stated findings, the lineage currently shown for Lazarus is incorrect. There’s more to discuss but I wanted to start the engagement with the Y-DNA findings.

George Raymond Freeman it is going to take the help of a curator but basically we have to track down who contributed the DNA and look at their position in the Big Tree.
Many times, this is HOW to confirm or negate actual children/confirm the tree is correct for a particular branch.
Do you have any links to add?
My husband is also a royal Stewart descendant but not from the Y

Lazarus Stewart, Sr.
Y-DNA (paternal line only)

Jeffrey Stewart
R-FGC4077 from Y-111

Stephen Gallops
6th great grandson
R-FT74278 from Y-111

Private User
from Family Tree DNA

Robert Stewart
R-BY118188 from Y-111

Larry James Stewart
R-FT74278 from Y-111

There is conflicting DNA evidence propagated from relatives in the family tree. To determine the source of the discrepancy, other males in the conflicting paternal lines should be tested for their Y-DNA. View a list of living males who can be tested for Y-DNA to resolve this discrepancy.

Greater confidence can be obtained by testing other men in the paternal line of Lazarus Stewart, Sr.. View a list of living males who can be tested for Y-DNA to confirm these results.
There are no profiles on Geni with Y-DNA that matches Lazarus Stewart, Sr..

George Raymond Freeman
What would be the CORRECT lineage for this Lazarus?
Also, a link to the study is needed

branch of the descendants of Sir John Stewart, Sheriff of Bute:
Kit Number 995924
Kit Number 14486

These?

I put together the following document for this discussion.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000193387091830

Does this provide the basis needed?

Lazarus Stewart, 1683-1744 Lancaster Co. PA Scotland R-M269
lazarus Stewart- born approx. 1683 Scotland R-FT74278

993678 is my 1C.

Lazarus's profile is not curated but his wife's and his father's are MP'd by Erica Howton

Margaret Stewart
Robert Stewart

SNP chain of concern: R-DF41>S775>S310(L746)>FGC34909>Z38845>FTT46>Y14197>Y14198>FT74278 (branch of the descendants of Sir John Stewart, Sheriff of Bute).

What is known:
FTT46 must have occurred in John Stewart, Sheriff of Bute (~1360) or after.
Y14197 may have occurred in William of Fennock or after.
Y14198 may have occurred in James of Kilcattan or after.

FT74278 occurs in testers from two lines under Lazarus Stewart (David Stewart and James Stewart – mentioned in the thread above).

Leverna Bernell Freeman (Stewart) is Sir John Stewart, Sheriff of Bute's 16th great niece.
Where does it go wrong?:
https://www.geni.com/path/Sir-John-Stewart-Sheriff-of-Bute+is+relat...

https://www.geni.com/path/Leverna-Freeman+is+related+to+Lazarus-Ste...

I am not able to see https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000193387091830 clearly buy am not experienced with it-- I have access to my nephew's Y kit but not his email so I don't know yet how this all works but you have been able to successfully untangle our Howells and I trust that Erica will see this Discussion.

There are a handful of Geni users who are very adept at using DNA to fix incorrect lineages/untangle lines.
I am really excited to see what results are coming out for the royal Stewart line.
We had planned a trip to Scotland but then Cov hit and it remains on our to do list :)

Tagging Gary Allen Singleton and Karl David Wright for their expertise in this very thing
:)

And Joni Danielle Sneed, BSN, RN as she is an Admin at https://www.facebook.com/groups/328285670906483/ Royal Stewart and Stuart Autosomal DNA and a collaborator here on Geni for the Project:
https://www.geni.com/projects/Kings-of-Scotland-House-of-Stewart-13...

The “Y14198 may have occurred in James of Kilcattan or after” reference refers to:

James Stewart of Kilcattan, 4th Sheriff of Bute and Arran (1430 – 1477)

Cynthia, to see the PDF I posted clearly, click the "Original PDF"

I didn't realize it but Gary and Karl have both worked on his profile so that's awesome!

Yes! This is readable: https://media.geni.com/p14/07/d6/6b/ab/53444862f31cd776/lazarus_02_...

Here's the report that tells you where the conflicting DNA is coming from:

Lazarus Stewart, Sr.

I'm afraid that, unless we look carefully at the male ancestor lines for these individuals and find errors, we'll require (as stated) additional DNA tests to figure out where the problem is.

Bah, it peels off the URL suffix.
To get the report, click on the "DNA" tab. Thanks.

Karl David Wright,

“Larry James Stewart” and “Stephen Gallops” (on this profile) have the terminal SNP R-FT74278, which is confirmed to “the Stewarts of Bute” line. Terminal SNP’s R-BY118188 and R-FGC4077, which are also propagated to this profile are not related.

The first ask is the process to get the propagated DNA cleaned up on the profile.

Here:
https://www.geni.com/list/dna_to?focus_id=6000000011624098689&d...

I don't know that there's a discrepancy. They all start with R

I think the issue is with the path from Lazarus to the Sheriff is in question and perhaps has been resolved but needs correction at Geni and other public platforms

Terminal SNP’s R-BY118188 and R-FGC4077, which are also propagated to this profile are not related.

So that’s these great nephews:

Private Y

Y-DNA Ancestors of Lazarus Stewart, Sr. and Randall Reed Stewart

https://www.geni.com/list/ancestors/6000000011624098689?compare_id=6000000041100756851&dna_test_type=y#14

From Samuel Stewart, Sr. shown as son of

Robert Stewart

Private User https://www.geni.com/projects/R-BY118188-Y-DNA/55299

Y-DNA Ancestors of Lazarus Stewart, Sr. and Robert Stewart

https://www.geni.com/list/ancestors/6000000011624098689?compare_id=6000000050806433208&dna_test_type=y#14

From Samuel Stewart, Sr. shown as son of Robert Stewart

Jeffrey Stewart https://www.geni.com/projects/R-FGC4077-Y-DNA/37263

Y-DNA Ancestors of Lazarus Stewart, Sr. and Jeffrey Stewart https://www.geni.com/list/ancestors/6000000011624098689?compare_id=6000000022572312387&dna_test_type=y#14

From Samuel Stewart, Sr. shown as son of Robert Stewart

Disconnected with these notes:

Disputed origins

Samuel Stewart, Sr. Was not the son of Robert Stewart - YDNA test results do not match. See discussion, https://www.geni.com/discussions/263898?msg=1626192.

Samuel Stewart (supposedly) emigrated to Pennsylvania with his younger brother, Hugh Stewart If so, then Hugh was not the son of Robert either. However, as of April 2023, there are no Y DNA test results from Hugh’s line to validate, one way or another.

https://www.geni.com/list/dna_to?focus_id=6000000011624098689&d...

Looks like the Y DNA attached is corrected!

George Raymond Freeman that was the "first ask"

Thank you Erica Howton for the corrections and your thoughtful/detailed explanation!

And, as always, thank you Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 for your guidance!

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