Query on project

I am confused by this as well. I keep removing people who don't seem to meet the criteria from the project when I come across them, but it seems to be an impossible task at the rate the project is growing.

I should note that I just removed maybe a dozen more -- all born outside Italy, and at least one who doesn't appear to have ever lived in the U.S.

It's worth noting that we've had a Notables of Italian Descent project for more than a decade. Mike could always transfer any MP in this project born somewhere other than Italy into that project. That would make a huge dent in the list and make it easier to sort through to make sure what's left is actually on-topic.

In case this is a translation issue: "emigrant" means someone born in one country who moves to another. Italian emigrants in the U.S. are people who were born in Italy and moved to the U.S. It's not anyone in the U.S. with Italian ancestry -- though, again, this project seems to have a lot of people with no U.S. connection, so it's still confusing. Let's figure it out and fix it together. :)

Maybe Tommaso Valarani can enlighten us as to why he is adding them to the project?

I have removed all the Aussies ones I could see.

It would be very appreciated if Tommaso Valarani responded here. This project continues to explode in numbers and most of the profiles in it do not meet its own criteria. It's creating confusion for users, so it would be great if we could reach some kind of resolution that works for everybody.

To give another example of why this is so confusing:

Mason Rocca was born in the U.S. and immigrated to Italy, where he lived for a number of years. That's the reverse of the project's definition.

One of his great-great-grandparents was Italian, so "Notables of Italian Descent" would work.

Hi Ashley sorry for th late reply. I think that almost everyone persone I've added has at least 1 italian grandparent. IF you tell me the profiles you think should be taken off i can remove them.

Sorry for the confusion
Tommaso

The wikipedia page of Mason Rocca says "an American born Italian retired professional basketball player "

And "Rocca was a member of the Italian senior roster at World Championship in 2006."

Thank you so much for responding!

The issues are:

- merely having an Italian-born grandparent still doesn't make someone an immigrant

- the project is seemingly only supposed to be for people who were born in Italy and moved to the U.S., but it's now a huge mix of countries

It's too big of a job for any of us to try to sort it ourselves. We'd likely need to ask Mike Stangel for help. For example, he could take every MP in the profile that doesn't list Italy as a birthplace and move them out of this project into the Notables of Italian Descent project, which would probably be thousands of profiles.

I can do that, if everyone agrees...

I have twice removed all profiles who died in Australia with a birthplace of *not* Italy and all profiles born in Australia

It's impossible to keep up when more keep getting added.

I would go a step further than just the MP's - and remove all profiles not born in Italy (where they have a birthplace)

Tommaso here is an example

Danny Maciocia
Born Canada
Danny Maciocia (born May 26, 1967) is the head coach and general manager of the Montreal Alouettes of the Canadian Football League (CFL). He was previously head coach of the Université de Montréal Carabins football team. He is also the former general manager and director of football operations of the Canadian Football League's Edmonton Eskimos and former offensive coordinator with the André-Grasset Phénix, a CEGEP team in Montreal

Born Canada living in Canada

Leo Moracchioli

Leo Moracchioli is a Norwegian metal musician and producer based in Oltedal. A multi-instrumentalist, he is known for his metal covers of popular songs, which have gained him over 4.5 million followers and over a billion views on YouTube as Frog Leap Studios.

Born in Norway

Roberto Venturato

An Australian who emigrated to Italy

Jennifer Maria Capriati

Born in USA living in USA

Brendan Fevola
Born Australia, lives in Australia

Claude François
Born Egypt died France

Ok, i thought that have clear Italian origins was enough. We have examples of people playing for the italian football team that weren't born in Italy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mateo_Retegui example

A lot of them were naturalized.

I will remove them ok

Costabile "Gus" Farace, Jr.[1] (June 21, 1960 Bushwick, Brooklyn – November 17, 1989 Bensonhurst, Brooklyn) was an Italian American criminal and mobster.

He was born in the U.s.a. but classified as Italian American for example.
Should he be removed as well?

To me, this project is described as for immigrants, so yes, if born in USA, should be a different project.

Mobsters

https://www.geni.com/projects/American-Gangsters-of-the-1920s-and-1930s/3525

Gangs of New York City .

https://www.geni.com/projects/Gangs-of-New-York-City/1849

There is also the project Notables of Italian Descent

https://www.geni.com/projects/Notables-of-Italian-Descent/7683

So

1) if they were born in the U.s.a. but with clear italian origins in "Notables of italian descent"

2) if born in Italy and emigrated in "Little Italy"

The 2 projects divided like these is a good solution?

2) born in Italy and emigrated to America “Little Italy”

Question.

Presumably there are Little Italy’s all over the world (emigrants from Italy). Sizable numbers to Canada, South America and Australia as well as USA, for example.

Is there a reason to separate them by country emigrated to? And if so, shouldn’t there be projects for them?

I could certainly see a series.

I think that it should be split by country rather than 1 project for every person who ever left Italy.
Ie immigrants to Canada in a different project to immigrants to America.

I don’t really see the benefit of hundreds of projects for emigrants from every country to every other country for all of time. 195 countries would mean 37830 projects and that’s not even thinking about border changes over time

What value does it add to a profile?

I think it depends .

if there is like a database for italians emigrated in Australia it would make sense to split since a lot of people emigrated there.

I'm not really an expert.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_Australians here is a long list of Italo-australians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_Canadians also a lot of canadians.

Other nations it depends I would say.

I don't know how many profiles of italo-australians or italo-canadians have been added. If it is a group large enough it would make sense to separate these countries.

I think you are misunderstanding the term “Italian Australian” - it doesn’t mean a person who emigrated from Italy to Australia - it means an Australian with Italian ancestors..

Vanessa Amorosi was born in Melbourne, Australia
Tina Arena was born in Melbourne, Australia
Christian Arenti’s grandfather emigrated to Australia