Roberta Saint-James (Saint-Hilaire) - Information

The manager is inactive so anyone can fix the profile.

Her husband is sourced:

Chart of the Saint-Hilaire (Saint-James) family tree to be found on page 516 in "The Norman frontier in the twelfth and early thirteenth centuries," by Daniel Power. http://books.google.com/books?id=UrjF6T6JZvYC&lpg=PA516&ots=eTUs9ah...

Private User thanks for jumping in. I am slow with French genealogy. The profile Maria pointed out was entered by an American, so may have bungled the name from his source. I wouldn't delete it, I would amend it based on a real source.

Going down to son Hasculf fitzEudo de Saint-Hilaire-du-Harcouët

I found this information on https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/St_James-7

Concerning the subject of this profile, according to Keats-Rohan:

• He was based in Normandy and his family variously uses names derived from two of their holdings, Saint-James and Saint-Hilaire.
• The use of the name Harscoit may indicate a Breton heritage.
• He was probably the co-founder of the priory of Sacey, along with Count Alan, lord of Richmond, in 1086, who was also a son of Eudes. If not, then he was perhaps that man's grandson.
• If not earlier, he probably came to England during the reign of Henry I.
• His wife's name was Matilda (or Maude), and he had sons named Eudo, Philip, Peter and James.
• Eudo and Philip were born before 1090, and Peter and James after it.
• The sons Peter and James were English land-holders by 1129.

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So, I think the double surname for the mother is an attempt to show it.

Keats-Rohan is a "go to" source for medieval genealogies, so it shows us where to look.

It was probably discussed at the group, defunct for posting, soc.general.medieval.

Sorry, the archive group is https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval

The rootsweb database mentioned is a dead link, I'll point that out in the profiles.

Surnames were still evolving in this period, and across languages. The name "Roberta" is of course a jump, and wrong. The idea that she might from be a St. Hilary or St. James family and brought that property to the marriage may not be.

The book is copyrighted, but I have an ID to the internet archive, and borrowed it.

https://archive.org/details/normanfrontierin0000powe/page/516/mode/1up

No name give for the wife of Eudes de Saint-James

Many footnotes.

I will change the name of the profile to "wife of Eudes."

I think Aveline Ales de St-Hilaire may be a generation off. The chart shows her as wife of James, not Hasculf.

Hasculf's wife on the chart is Matilda fl. 1090. Maud is an often an alternate name for Matilda in pedigrees.

I uploaded a screen shot I will remove tomorrow.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000208138878825

Possibly of interest.

Aveline Ales de St-Hilaire

The St-Hilaires are also referred to as "de Harcouët" - which has been mistaken for HarcouRt in some sources. Medlands: Loyd indicates that this family originated in Saint-Hilaire-du-Harcouët in the present-day French département of Manche, arrondissement Mortain, canton Saint-Hilaire-du-Harcouët[1039].

https://www.dhi.ac.uk/normans/casestudies.html

The names of the fitzErneis cadets in this generation - Philip, Hasculf, Eudo, and Matilda - are suggestive. In the late 11th or early 12th century they also all occur in the family of Saint-Hilaire-du-Harcouët or Saint-James, the most prominent family in the county of Mortain in southwest Normandy (Power, Norman frontier, 516). This was a far remove from the fitzErneis interests, which mostly lay between Caen and Falaise. However, the fitzErneis family also acquired lands at Wells-next-the-Sea and Warham in Norfolk. These two villages are only 6 miles and 4 miles respectively from Field Dalling, the centre of the Saint-Hilaire barony in England. So it is possible that Robert III fitzErneis married a member of the Saint-Hilaire family, perhaps a daughter of Hasculf fitz Eudo, also known as Hasculf de Saint-James or Hasculf de Saint-Hilaire (d.1121 x 1129), and his wife Matilda, and that the marriage was intended to consolidate the families' mutual interests in North Norfolk.

FMG Medlands begins their study at Hasculf fitzEudo de Saint-Hilaire-du-Harcouët without identifying a father for him.

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntps.htm#_Toc112738898

SAINT-HILAIRE

Loyd indicates that this family originated in Saint-Hilaire-du-Harcouët in the present-day French département of Manche, arrondissement Mortain, canton Saint-Hilaire-du-Harcouët[1009].

[Two] brothers, parents not yet identified:

1. ASCULF de Saint-Hilaire (-1121 or after). ["Apud oppidum Santi Hilarii, Harchodio vicecomite, Petro fratre eius" witnessed the undated charter under which "Radulfus Filogerensis et uxor eius Avicia" donated revenue to Sainte-Trinité de Fougères[1010]. It appears likely that "Harchodio vicecomite" was the same person as Asculf de Saint-Hilaire but this is not beyond doubt.] "…Hasculfo de Sancto Jacobo…" witnessed the charter dated to [1100/01] under which Henry I King of England confirmed donations by "Hugo de Grentemesnil" to Saint-Evroul[1011]. “…Hasculfo de Sancto Hylario…" witnessed the charter dated to [1100/04] under which Guillaume Comte de Mortain confirmed donations to Saint-Martin de Marmoutier[1012]. m MATHILDE, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. Asculf & his wife had four children:

a) EUDES de Saint-Hilaire . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified.

b) PHILIPPE de Saint-Hilaire . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified.

c) JAMES de Saint-Hilaire (-after 1138). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified.

d) PETER de Saint-Hilaire (-after [1157]).

e) --- . m ---. One child:

2. [PIERRE de Saint-Hilaire .

(Power has ALAN as Asculf's brother).

Anyway, I think I'm done with the cleanup.