Sir Edward Coleman, III, Kgt - Disputing Knighthood

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yesterday at 9:35 AM

No source proves knighthood.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Coleman-706
"Son of William Colman and [mother unknown]"
"[sibling(s) unknown]"
"He was probably born about 1528, Great Waldingfield, Suffolk, England"

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yesterday at 9:48 AM

Wikitree rightly doesn't include any child born outside of county Suffolk to date owing to Edward probably living his entire life in Suffok, and perhaps as a lifelong resident of Great Waldingfield..

Erica Howton C

yesterday at 12:58 PM

Removed the spurious knighthood.

The profile on Geni shows a birth of 1548, so I need to understand the references at Wiktree that shows him a generation earlier and with so many children.

To do that, I'm going down the tree to the immigrant to America and looking at those sources, and then back up the tree.

If you can pick out the proof of a 1528 birth and first marriage in the meantime ...

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Today at 11:27 AM

Since Wikitree does not in-line source "about 1528", It's probably estimated on another estimated date: the est. of birth year for daughter Rachel (Colman) Gale, whom Wikitree shows b.ca.1548.

The question really is whether Edward was twice married. A sourced date for first marriage may never astutely discerned. However, the marriage date for daughter Rachel (Colman) Gale on 4 Jul 1569 (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Colman-750 – cited source Find My Past) is probably the crux of Wikitree's estimates for parents.

Erica Howton C

Today at 11:31 AM

I uploaded the study that shows the first wife and all the children (Geni is missing most):

Note that this is recent scholarship (after The Great Migration Begins, which reported a spurious origin for Edward):

Battle, Robert. The Colman and Cutler Ancestry of John¹ Thorndike of Essex County, Massachusetts, with the Colman Ancestry of John¹ Coggeshall, Muriel¹ (Gurdon) Saltonstall, and Jemima¹ (Waldegrave) Pelham, The New England Historical & Genealogical Register (NEHGS, Boston, Mass., 2020) Vol. 174, Page 320-321. < AmericanAncestors >. Part 2. (2021) Vol. 175, Page 79-93. < AmericanAncestors >; (document attached) Page 90-1/ Also see footnote #69.
"Last Will and Testament of Edward Colman the Clothier" (image attached)

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Today at 11:40 AM

It's a brain-drain day for me. There may be secondary sources to locate and scrutinize. Maybe tomorrow, I will be feeling well enough to search, read, and process such materials I may find.

Erica Howton C

Today at 11:41 AM

Sourcing for first marriage:

Alice Wincoll was the daughter of Roger Wincoll of Little Waldingfield, Suffolk, England. [1]

Her father Roger died in 1559 leaving a will as of Roger Wyncoll the elder, clothier of Little Waldingfield, Suffolk. He bequeathed £20 to "the children of Edward Collman, clothier of Great Waldingfield and his wife, my daughter". [2]

She died in 1563 being buried at Great Waldingfeild, Suffolk 2 Jan 1563. [3]

References

WikiTree contributors, "Alice (Wincoll) Colman (abt.1537-bef.1563)," WikiTree: The Free Family Tree, (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wincoll-6 : accessed 03 January 2025). cites:
1. Battle, Robert. The Colman and Cutler Ancestry of John¹ Thorndike of Essex County, Massachusetts, with the Colman Ancestry of John¹ Coggeshall, Muriel¹ (Gurdon) Saltonstall, and Jemima¹ (Waldegrave) Pelham, The New England Historical & Genealogical Register (NEHGS, Boston, Mass., 2021) Vol. 175, Page 180].
2. Will of Roger Wincoll the elder of Little Waldingfield, Suffolk. Written 31 Jul 1559. < catalog description >
3. Burial: "National Burial Index For England & Wales" FindMyPast Transcription < search screen > (accessed 22 February 2024) Alice Colman burial (died in 1563) on 2 Jan 1563 in Great Waldingfield, Suffolk, England.

Erica Howton C

Today at 11:43 AM

Feel better, Ken!

Sir Edward Coleman, III, Kgt - Disputing Knighthood

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