Pieter Tjercks Schuyler - Descendance from Germany or Holland, The Netherlands ??

I noticed that Pieter Tjercks Schuyler supposedly has a father born in Germany.
Immediately notice in this profile that there is talk of origin Emmen in Drenthe, but also of Emden in Germany. In the official boxes I see back Holland, but in the text I see as origin Germany. Sources are not here and every american apparently just assumes all this is true without proof.

I wrote a comment about this to the administrators that I almost always find geographical errors in the lines I look at. Without wanting to get very much into this, I want it recorded here that people should start doing FACT-CHECKS and write them down !!!!

* The OpenAi chatbot tells me that the Schuyler family is an important family.
The mother of Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd President of the USA , that is Sara Ann Roosevelt has the Schuyler's as ancestors, according to the chatbot answer, when I asked pointedly about presidents and founders of America. However, this does not match the geni line, which for this Pieter runs across Franklin Delano Roosevelt, which latter thus has a Schuyler ancestor.

My personal interest in this then is still that F.D. Roosevelt's ancestors are or are presumably also my own ancestors in Tholen.

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What needs to become clear :
1.is the exact origin of this Pieter Schuyler
2.is it an ancestor of F.D. Roosevelt or of his mother

Pieter Tjercks Schuyler is Sara Ann Roosevelt's son's wife's 7th great grandfather.
Sara Ann Roosevelt → Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd President of the USA (her son)→ toon 8 familieleden → David Pieterse Schuyler (her father) → Pieter Tjercks Schuyler (his father)
(Deepl translation !)

As already pointed out, there is a conflict between the birthplace in this profile (Emmen, Drenthe, Netherlands) and the birthplace in an old article that was copied and pasted into the Overview/About field (Emden, Niedersachsen, Germany). This is a legitimate concern, and I have added an advisory note about this at the beginning of the article. Pieter Tjercks Schuyler's parents were born in Emmen (according to their profiles) and if that is true, that makes it likelier Pieter was, as well.

Geni.com is a collaborative site with many cooks in the kitchen, so to speak. Many profiles were posted more than 15 years ago. This one was posted in 2007. Some of us became co-managers over the years. In my case, it was because I merged one of Pieter’s children into another line I was working on. Being a co-manager does not mean that I can document what already was added to the profile before I encountered it. It does not mean I accept or believe every data point in it or have the documentation to edit possible errors in it. It is not helpful to suggest that an American co-manager, such as myself, lacks a reasonable amount of education, travel experience, or basic judgment to consider a legitimate concern that is being raised.

If there is a researcher with a source that shows that Pieter was born in one place or the other, then this profile will be strengthened by the addition of that information. Until then, I hope that the advisory note that I added to the Overview/About field will suffice to advise future visitors to this profile of the discrepancy in information about the birthplace.

I forgot to mention that 'Tjerk' and 'Stientie' (Stientje) both are exclusive and typical Friesian names.

Another one ! Well what is it ......Amsterdam or Haarlem ?

David Pieterse Schuyler

Sir/Ma'am
If you GOOGLE Maps, HAARLEM, Netherlands you will find that it is on " todays " maps a suburb of Amsterdam therefore your question after almost 500 years is irrelevant.

With that said Yes, in one hand it is correct to find exactly where he was born, but in the other hand since they are so close and after such a long amount of time does it really matter if his birth place 19 miles (31 KM, depending which route ) difference.

If you go back and read Mr. Scott Leonard's post you will find part of the answer to your original question.

Just to make a point, a 19 or 20 mile walk is not that far and can de made into around trip quite easily in 1 day.

U.S. Army Retired

Once a soldier, always a soldier! In the army they actually thought it was fine if you missed a few streets or did not determine your target properly? Good job !

I think we all want to prevent the wrong people from being tied together. 1 mistake has led to an exponential big mistake. I am mainly involved in this because someone had discovered a place in Germany that looked a bit like that other place in the Netherlands, but was good enough to finish it. Since I also have the earliest ancestors 'Roosevelt' in Tholen and also many other family, I would like to see everything shown very precisely without haggling. Haarlem is a city by the way and Amsterdam happens to be one too, but a different one! By the way. for an American everything is a bit close to Amsterdam, even if it is across the border in Emden or Paris, that's all the same !?
N.B. there are a liot of people with the same name, that's why we should be certain ! This is all without just one verifiable source here !

Private User While far from a primary source, this may provide clues. It indicates David Pieterse Schuyler's baptism was in Amsterdam, at the New Church.

https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2021/66/222543731_c72dc54c-a42...

Perhaps you will have better luck with an online searchable database for church records. What I was able to find with a quick look is film only. https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/255245

I am also not sure if any information in the marriage contract for Pieter is useful--I am only able to read/understand a few words. It does not appear to be sourced yet in the Geni profile. The descendant on FindAGrave maintaining the memorials there has included a copy:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/219933773/pieter_tjercks#view-p...

Thanks Karrie, Good Find ! I can't read it either

I will place the links of profiles where I changed added something here, in order to follow everything around the central profiles.

Christopher Lansing

Ver Planck written as : Verplanck https://www.wiewaswie.nl/nl/zoeken/?advancedsearch=1

Rep. John Van Schaick Lansing Pruyn

FIRST LINK IN THE '''ABOUT

Pieter Tjercks Schuyler and Geertruyd Philips van Schuylder are my 9th ggrandparents. Without vouching for the accuracy of this record, this is the source I used when doing Albany area family research, https://exhibitions.nysm.nysed.gov/albany/bios/s/phpischuyler.html. It describes Pieter Tjercks Schuyler as "German born Amsterdam baker."
Not sure if any on this profile have checked the sources listed on the Schuyler page linked to.

Regarding Alida Livingston I have asked her to change the name with the following motivation:

"Pls. change her name ! Reasons:
1. She is Alida Schuyler an important name what is overlooked easily !
2. She married as his widow the bookkeeper of Nicolas names Robert Livingstone, that's confusing !!!
3. https://www.geni.com/people/Robert-Livingstone-the-elder/6000000000... is married to Margrita Schuyler who appeara to be Margrita Renselaer & Alida Livingstone, who appear to be Alida Schuyler

So much chaos & misundertstanding is being provoked here. It starts with people in Holland under a patronym, what later will be Schuyler, and then these marriages which lead to other names in America !!!! Among them

(This is unadulterated chaos !!!
For the Dutch area, an agreement at geni.com has been made anyway that women keep their own name and that has real advantages: people recognize them and they make fewer mistakes."

Don''t remember who, but she was even married to as well to the father as to the son ! So confusing !

Thank you René VAN OEVEREN for the update on Alida (Schuyler) Livingston, born 1656 PLEASE, PLEASE do not confuse the following, Alida M Schuyler

Charles Augustus Van Valkenburg (Urial or Uriah , Jacobus or James , Laurens or Lawrence , Jacob , Jochem Jochemse , Jochem Lambertse , Lambert , Lambert Dryeskens , Andries ) was born on 8 Jul 1836 in Manheim, Herkimer, New York, USA. He died on 25 May 1897.

Charles married Alida M Schuyler daughter of Nicholas N Schuyler and Catharine Filkins, on 17 Jun 1868 in , Herkimer, New York, USA. Alida was born on 31 Mar 1842 in Danube, Herkimer, New York, USA. She died on 16 Dec 1929.

All I have done is give the know genealogical data here

Private User Sorry I cannot be of more help to you and the others here. You, or someone else following here, might try messaging the descendants active on Findagrave to see if they have any additional information.