Edward Scott, I, of Glemsford - Disputed origins

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Private User suggests a different pedigree for the Edward Scott who married Elizabeth Grome, based on this source:

The Heraldic Journal: Recording the Armorial Bearings and ..., Volumes 1-4. vedited by William Henry Whitmore, William Sumner Appleton. (1865) Page 104-105. < GoogleBooks > "The Scott Family."

I'm snipping so we only focus on the couple of generations and not the entire tree.

THE SCOTT FAMILY.

There are several reasons which lead us to believe that one or more branches of the Scotts of Scott's Hall, co. Kent, settled in New England. There are now extant two ancient manuscript pedigrees of the family, one of which expressly states the fact, and we will consider this first. This roll is now in the possession of Rev. Dr. Jenks, and contains several generations of the ancestors of Sir William1 Scott, who married Anne, daughter of Reginald Pimpe. ....

..... A second manuscript is in the possession of the descendants of Judge James Scott of Newport, R. I. In this the pedigree is continued, in the line of Richard Scott, third son of Sir John Scott and Anne Pimpe.

This Richard Scott married a dau. of George Wettenhall of East Pelham, and had several sons; of whom Edward, third son, married Mary, dau. of John Warren. Their son was Edward Scott of Glemsford, co. Suff., who m. Elizabeth Grome of Suff., and had Edward' and Richard. Edward Scott of Glemsford m. Sarah, sister of Richard Carter of Brookhall, co. Essex, and had Edward, Richard, Frederick, and Matthew. It is thought that Judge Edward Scott was the son of one of these last named four brothers; he came to Newport, about 1710.

It has also been thought that Richard Scott, son of Edward S. of Glemsford, was the person who came to Boston, in 1634, and married Catherine, dau. of Rev. Edward Marbury, sister of the famous Anne Hutchinson. He was a quaker and removed to R. I., where his descendants have been in good standing. However, these affiliations need confirmation by researches in England; as the name is common both in England and this country. ...


This is different from what Geni currently shows as Edward Scott, I, of Glemsford (1546-1627) son of Richard Scott, ll, of Glemsford (1510-1565) & his first wife Joanna Scott

You'll notice that Private User curates the parents of this Edward.

Opinions and more sources more than welcome.

This is from https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Scott-17788. (Their equivalent to Geni's Edward Scott (1547-21 Nov 1627) who married Elizabeth Scott

I had not read it before that I recollect.


Due to controversies about his origins and relationships, his profile is being tracked and protected by the England project.

Origins

The Scott Pedigree Roll stated that his father was another Edward Scott who married Mary Warren. We have no actual direct evidence of this generation in the way of wills or baptisms outside of the Scott Pedigree Roll.

Page 103. < GoogleBooks >

This Roll is now known to be a forgery, so this generation must be questioned. The only apparent support is that the will of his son supposedly named a number of children of John Warren of Burgh Castle, Suffolk as kinsman.

This is where Sir Anthony Wagner breaks the line. The Memorials of the Family of Scott, of Scot's-hall, made Edward Scott a younger son of Richard Scott by Mary Whetenall. This is wrong. On the death of Richard Scott’s mother Anne (Pympe) Scotte, the inheritance was split in gavelkind (a system of inheritance in which a deceased person's land is divided equally among all male heirs). Half went to the five sons of Reginald Scott, and half went to Reginald Scott as the ONLY surviving son of Richard Scott. In other words, Richard Scott and Mary Whetenall did not have a surviving son Edward.

That the line is wrong is also proven by simple chronology. Reginald Scott (d. 1599), eldest son of Richard Scott and Mary Whetenall, was born in 1538 (age 38 in 1576). If he had a younger brother Edward he would have been born 1540 or later. The immigrant Richard Scott was bp. in 1605; his father EdwardA was bp. 1574; his father EdwardB was born before 1550 as his first child was bp. in 1571; his supposed father EdwardC would have been born 1520-1530 at the earliest. This last Edward could not have been the brother of Reginald born after 1540.

So, dispensing with the Scott Pedigree Roll as an invention, do we have any other possibilities?

We have an obvious one. Richard Scott a clothier of Glemsford, Suffolk died in 1565 leaving a will naming among others his eldest son Edward Scott, son-in-law Thomas Warren (thus dispensing with the Warrens of Burgh Castle as kinsman), and son-in-law John Frost. This is almost certainly the actual father Edward Scott. Right place, right time, names all match, all of Glemsford, clothier just like his son and grandson. It is also not insignificant that grandchildren of John Frost and Ann Scott also immigrated to New England. ....

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