Ancestry.com?

I have sent the links to 1920 and 1930 census - hope they help!

I checked on Kindred konnections and got 0 hits

Thanks! I do have the 1930. I did not have the 1920. Juanita (Junetia?!?!) is my second great-aunt. Molly G. Dowell would have been her sister-in-law.

Molly G. Dowell's Find-a-Grave
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=21759629

You may want to check your local LDS family history library. At ours they have some of the computers that have an ancestry.com account. This may vary from location to location. You can also access the premium content of Footnote.com at the family history library.

Rootsweb.com has something. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&am...

sncestry.com has

U.S. Native American Enrollment Cards for the Five Civilized Tribes, 1898-1914
about Fritz Sittel Jr
Name: Fritz Sittel Jr
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1896
Age at Census Enrollment: 6
Enrollment Date: 25 Sep 1902
Tribal Affiliation: Choctaw By Blood
Census Card #: 5487
Dawes' Roll #: 13914

Thanks. I do already have the Dawes' rolls data. That Rootsweb entry is mine! I'm espiceland.

I think the 1930 census entry on her is a great clue. Fritz, Jr. died in 1928, and Mollie moved in with W. B. and Laura Stevens. She's listed as "sister," but I don't know if they would have considered sister-in-law equivalent to sister. Is she W. B.'s sister or Laura's sister? *sigh*

Unfortunately most groups tend to only have info on western tribes which in your class it might be helpful. For people like me it's considerably more difericult as new England native people either were killed,moved on or mixed in and in many cases were recorded as either white or black,since anyone who wasn't of English decent at the time wasn't considered white. Some in Plymouth were recorded but out in Saugus it's like they never were there even tho the town is proud of it's Native heritage and Saugus is an Indian name for the tribe that was there. Good luck,. Judy

Thanks, everybody. I have found some living descendants of William B. Stevens, so I guess my next step is to contact them.

Hi Serafina,

I searched Ancestry.com on the theory that William B. Stephens was Mollie Sittel's brother. Found him in a 1900 census report: Samuel Stevens b 1849, farmer, head of household in Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory. Daughter Mollie G. Stevens born around 1895 so that fits.

I sent you doc's via email (hope that's the right way to do it:))

Wow, thanks, Erica! That's got to be her.

Something's off. This family tree says she lived until 1974.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2186...

So who the heck is Lavere Squaw?

Isn't it fun to play detective? :) Are Lavere Squaw and Mollie G. Stevens two different people, then?

The rootsweb tree says "All info on Samuel Stevens and family was recieved from Donald Glass in an Internet E-mail on 03/26/02 ref. dglass@flash.net."

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2186...

I will backtrack records on Ancestry.com for Samuel Ruffin Brock STEVENS (1848-1935) and email you anything.

P.S. My 85 year old father has given me a mission to track down his family "Cherokee Princess" legend so I'm having fun here.

adrienne soto here I was checking my geni site and we are cousins

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Sittel&am...;

Yeah, they've got to be different people! Lavere is buried with Fritz Jr. They died in 1931 and 1928 respectively. I know that my great-grandmother was a full-blooded Choctaw, because I am eligible for tribe membership and benefits and minority status. If my great-grandmother was Mollie, I'd only be 1/16th and not eligible.

My grandfather is listed in the 1930 census. Fritz Jr, Mollie, and "Eureke" (should actually be Eureka). It seems that Mollie went on to marry again in 1954 and lived until 1974, however, there's no mention of Eureka after that.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a163...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fisherpages/d0004...

Can anyone find Eureke/Eureka Sittel/Sittle/Sittell in any later census records?

The 1930 census is the most recent available. I found Fritz Sittel Jr (1896-1928) in the 1910 census and -- score! -- his WW1 draft card (sent to you by email). He's listed as Indian so I think you would be eligible for tribal membership through that line?

I'll query for Eureka Von Sittle next.

Thanks, I do have the WW1 draft registration card from my Ancestry free trial. So when will the 1940 census be released? Is it like they do it 80 years later or something?

1940 Census

For many genealogists, the countdown to access the 1940 Census has already begun. There are 617 days remaining until Monday, April 2, 2012.

The official date for the 1940 Census was April 1st, but since that day will fall on a Sunday in 2012, it is unclear whether reseachers will have weekend access to film at the National Archives or will instead need to wait until Monday to satisfy their genealogical curiosity.

(No — this isn't an April Fools joke, you can check your calendar)

http://www.1930census.com/1940_census.php

I'm not having much luck with Eureka Von Sittle / Sittel in Ancestry.com. I would have expected to find his WW2 draft card. Grrrr.

Maybe think of more name variations? I found my father's 1930 census record as a "Howerton" for instance.

Anyway, let me know any other directions to go in.

I have seen Sittell one time. Sidl is an onomastic variant, but not one that was ever used from Fritz Sr. down. Likewise, Zittel is related.

Here in Canada the government is thinking of scrapping the 2011 mandatory long-form census & replacing it with a "National Household Survey" that will not be mandatory & will NEVER be publicly released. One of the higher-ups in Statistics Canada just resigned over it this past week. I'm not sure if we're even going to get access to the 1921 census (our most recent publicly available census is the 1911 census, although Newfoundland -- which joined Canadian Confederation in 1949 -- has released even its 1945 census). Our government is citing "privacy concerns" for its reason to not release census data.

Erica, thank you so much for your effort. I don't mean to capitalize on your good nature. Did you search for both Eureka and Eureke? Also, he went by Ricky by the time he was an adult.

Yes, I ran the query again using "eureka eureke ricky von" in the first name field, and full soundex for the last name of Sittle (which returns Seidel, Zittle, etc.)

No new physical records but a clue from someone's ancestry tree for you to analyze, sent by email. I feel OK about the quality of the query so until something else emerges, you should feel that you've been thorough on scouring what's available in Ancestry.

No worries about my time on it. This has been an excellent learning exercise for me. By doing it on this forum it hopefully benefits others as well.

Rebekah,

That is helpful information. I have friends looking into their Canadian roots and will pass on the limitations.

The census lady found me when I was deep in trying to read US census records. I was very friendly to her. :)

I've found the key in the 1920 census. Fritz had a brother named Laver/Levere. I can't believe I missed it 5+ times looking at these images.

Was it common back then for people who weren't married or romatically involved to share a tombstone? Why did his name say "Squaw" on the end?!

Going back to the tombstone photo I have questions back at you.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=21759629

1. LAVERE (squaw) and FRITZ jr. SITTEL. Based on the 1920 Census, they are siblings, not partners.
2. Is this a family plot bought by SITTEL's? Have you found others with that name in the cemetery / buried nearby?
3. Is LAVERE definitely male? Did you find the name in other years besides the 1920 US Census? (Could be marked incorrectly in one record.)
4. If male, was Squaw his nickname?
5. If female, was she known as Lavere Squaw?

Are you satisfied that Mollie G. Stevens was Fritz Jr's wife?

P.S. What, if anything, is the symbolism of the lovely flower chiseled on the shared tombstone?

Perhaps it is Levere and his Squaw both buried there. Remember the Indians had much different customs than what we may be used to.

Well, I know of two graves that are shared by unwed sisters in my admittedly meager cemetery ramblings. Doing the math, in my experience, 1 in 100 are buried with a non-spouse.