ADELAIS
d/o NN
x <1147 GAUTHIER [II], Count of Brienne
https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm

The New Count of Brienne, Walter II (1125 - 1161) and his Marriage Alliances

From Ismail, Dana Celest Asmoui. A History of the Counts of Brienne (950 – 1210) (2013) < PDF >

Page 76.

The House of Baudemont

Contrary to the suggestion by the authors of the Europäische Stamtafeln (commonly regarded as the authoritative source on the genealogies of the great families of Europe) that Walter married four times, he married only twice. His first wife was Humbeline (sometimes called Adelaide), the daughter of Andrew of Baudement seneschal of Champagne who journeyed to the Holy Land at least on two occasions.

Page 79-80

In a charter dated 1133, Walter stood as witness to a grant gift that his father - in - law, Andrew, made to the Knights Templar. 21 In this charter, Walter is noted as having been with his wife and this woman, who was not cited by name, was likely Humbeline. 22 Walter and Humbeline’s daughter Agnès wed James, lord of Chacenay. ... Walter and Humbeline also had two sons, Guy and Eustace. 28 Guy, who would have been the heir to the county of Brienne, disappeared from record after 1143 and Eustace, the next in line to inherit, is absent from the extant charters for twenty - three years. 29 Guy may have died shortly after his last appearance in 1143, or he may have left his patrimony, either willingly or by force, once his father remarried. Eustace’s role in the county is also ambiguous as once his father remarried, the titles of Brienne and Ramerupt were granted to the children of his second marriage. ... Humbeline, countess of Brienne, likely died in 1138 shortly after she stood witness to a gift granted by her husband to the bishop of Châlons.

Children of Humberline and Walter ll, Count of Brienne (page 77)

1. Agnes, married Jacques, lord of Chaceray
2. Guy
3. Eustache

Page 81.

The House of Soissons

Walter’s second marriage was to Adélaide of Soissons soon after Humbeline’s death. 32 Adélaide was the daughter of John, count of Soissons, who was the great - grandson of Richard I, duke of Normandy, John’s grandfather having been Richard’s bastard son. 33 Unlike the previous marriage, there survives strong charter evidence in support of this union and perhaps more importantly, to confirm the suggestion that this was Walter’s second and final marriage.

Page 87

During eight or nine years of marriage, Adélaide gave Walter three sons for certain and possibly two daughters. 64 The eldest son of this marriage would usurp the patrimony of Walter’s eldest sons from his previous marriage and become Erard II, count of Brienne upon his father’s death. His brother, Andrew, would become count of Ramerupt. Both whom would be acknowledged by chroniclers of the Third Crusade, one praised and noted for his courage and virtue, the other a blemish upon the honour of the dynasty of Brienne. A future son, John, would go on to become abbot of Beaulieu. 65 A daughter, Marie, would disappear from record after 1152. And yet another daughter would marry Barthélemy, lord of Vignory, a crusader who died along with his brother Guy of Vignory, at the siege of Acre in 1191. 66

• 32 Although this second wife’s name is not mentioned until 1146, her children, Erard, Andrew and Marie are mentioned in a charter dated 22 January 1143. Therefore, Walter likely married her shortly after Humbeline’s death in 1138 as within a span of five years, he had three children by Adélaide and they are present as witnesses to this charter [CACB, 40].
• 38 According to the ES, Walter married a Humbeline of Troyes in 1137 and Adelais, daughter of the widow of Andrew of Baudement [ES, III, 681].
• 64. Erard, future count of Brienne, and his brother Andrew, along with their sister, Marie, are first mentioned in a charter whereby they witness their father approve the rights of the abbey of Bassefontaine [CACB, 41]. John, abbot of Beaulieu, does not make an appearance in the charters until his brother’s tenure as count [CACB, 60].

  ---

From FMG Medlands < link >

GAUTHIER [II] de Brienne, son of ERARD [I] Comte de Brienne & his wife Alix de Montdidier (-before 1161). ... He took part in the Second Crusade in 1147[55].

[m firstly ---. [uncertain marriage]

m [firstly/secondly] ([repudiated before 1147]) HUMBELINE de Baudémont, daughter of ANDRE de Baudémont Seneschal de Champagne & his wife Agnes -- (-1166 or after). ...

m [secondly/thirdly] (before 1147) ADELAIS, daughter of --. "G comes Brene" donated property to "ecclesie Sancte Marie de Rameruco" with the consent of "uxoris Adelisis, Erardi, Andreæ filium meorum atque Marie filie mee" by charter dated 1147[63]. "Walterus comes Brenensis" made donations to the priory of Jully-les-Nonnains with the consent of "Adelaidis uxor suæ et filiorum meorum Arardi et Andree et filiarum mearum Marie et Helvidis" by charter dated [1150][64].

Older notes

Humbeline de Baudement (First wife of Gautier II. Issue:)

Citée nominativement dans trois chartes (deux connues par Roserot et une par William Mendel Newman): Humbeline (1133 et 1139), Hubelina (1135 ou 1145).

Son identification souvent contestée est rendue certaine grâce à William Mendel Newman: Les seigneurs de Nesle en Picardie: (XIIe-XIIIe siècle), 2 tomes, 1971, P. 33, "Il épousa Humbeline, fille d'André de Baudement et d'Agnès de Braisne... Mais Roserot a fait une petite erreur ; il n'a pas connu la charte de 1135 de Thibaut, comte de Blois pour Prémontré qui est fort explicite et qui dit des deux fliles d'André et d'Agnès : Helvide et Hubelina et earum maritis Waltero comite de Brienna et Wido de Dampierre (Orig. Arch. Nat., K. 23, n° 85." et P. 380: "Gautier II, comte de Brienne (Brena) (1125-1158) épouse 1° Humbeline, fille d'André de Baudementet d'Agnès de Braine (correction de Roserot)." Notons au passage que cette filiation pouvait être relevée dès 1631, en effet André du Chesne: Histoire généalogique de la maison royale de Dreux, page 233, aux preuves, cite la charte de l'abbaye des Prémontrés de Braine qu'utilisera William Mendel Newman en 1971: "Andrea de Baldimento... Agnete... sororibus eorum Helvide & Hubelina & earun maritis Waltero comite de Brienna & Guidone de Dampierre... MCXLV.". Il y a une divergence sur la date: 1135 pour Newman (qui a travaillé sur une pièce des AN, ou 1145 pour du Chesne. J-C de Vaugiraud 2 ii 2011

- Pourquoi elle-est dite de Nesle ? Réponse simple - ses parents possédaient Nesle ! - Pourqoi est-elle dite de Soissons ? Réponse simple - on voit en 1140/1141, son époux Gauthier II parmi les compétiteurs (pour son épouse) à la future succession au comté de Soissons !

Humbeline de Troyes. (Third wife of Gautier II. No issues.) http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id... http://www.gurganus.org/ourfamily/pedigree.cfm?pid=49186

Ancestry of Adelaide, wife of Walter II, count of Brienne

Source: < A History of the Counts of Brienne > Page 81

---

References

1. seen as Adèle de Soissons (? —), daughter of Jean I de Soissons (1085 - 1110) and Aveline de Pierrefonds.
2. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Ier_de_Soissons does not show Adelaide / Adela as a daughter of Jean Ier de Soissons, né vers 1060 et mort après 1115 & Aveline de Pierrefonds.
3. https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028301&tree=LEO calls her NN de Soissons.
4. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautier_II_de_Brienne cites
   1. Marie Henry d'Arbois de Jubainville, Catalogue of Acts of the Counts of Brienne, 950-1356 < link >
   2. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy [archive]. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm#GautierIIBriennedied1...
5. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brienne-38
6. https://thepeerage.com/p11999.htm#i119988 Adeliz de Baudemont is the daughter of Andre de Baudemont, Seigneur de Braine-sur-Vesle.1 She married Walter II, Comte de Brienne, son of Erard I, Comte de Brienne.1 cites
   1. BP1999 volume 1, page 226. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S8]
7. A History of the Counts of Brienne (950 – 1210) by Dana Celest Asmoui Ismail. Royal Holloway, University of London (2013) Doctor of Philosophy thesis. Chapter Three "The New Count of Brienne, Walter II (1125 - 1161) and his Marriage Alliances." < PDF >

   ---

Gauthier's wives and children in Charters

Humbeline is alive in 1138:
A charter dated 1138 notes that "Galterum Brennensem comitem" donated property to the hospitals of Chalette and Brienne with the consent of "uxoris sue Hubeline"

his wife Hubeline

22 January 1143 charter with only Children
"Walterus Brenensis comes" granted "decimam reddituum suorum de Brena Castello" to the abbey of Basse-Fontaine by charter dated 22 Jan 1143, subscribed by "Airardi filii sui, Andree filii sui, Marie filie sue…Johannis de Brena clerici…Guidonis fratris comitis"

Airard his son, Andrew his son, Marie his daughter [no mother mentioned]

Humbeline appears still to be alive in 1144:
A charter dated 1144 under which "Aelidis uxor Widonis domini de Brana post mortem viri sui…Guidonis" donated "census…Branæ castri et Branellæ villæ" to the Premonstré abbey, with the consent of "patre eorum Andrea de Baldimento et matre eorum Agnetis et ipsorum fratre Waleranno Vrsicampi abbate et sororibus eorum Helwide et Hubelina et earum maritis Waltero comiti de Brienna et Guidone de Dampierre"

Aelid, wife of Lord Widon of Bran after the death of her husband...Guidonis" donated "census…Branæ castri et Branellæ villæ" to the Premonstré abbey, with the consent of their father Andrea de Baldimento and their mother Agnetis and their brother Waleranno the abbot of Vrsicampi and their sisters Helwide and Hubelina and their husbands Walter the Count of Brienne and Guy de Dampierre.

The first reference to Adelais as Gauthier's wife is in 1147
"G comes Brene" donated property to ecclesie Sancte Marie de Rameruco" "uxoris Adelisis, Erardi, Andreæ filium meorum atque Marie filie mee" by charter dated 1147

with the consent of "my wife Adelis, Erard, my son Andrew, and my daughter Marie"

The second reference to Adelais as Gauthier's wife is in c1150
"Walterus comes Brenensis" made donations to the priory of Jully-les-Nonnains with the consent of "Adelaidis uxor suæ et filiorum meorum Arardi et Andree et filiarum mearum Marie et Helvidis" by charter dated [1150].

"Adelaide my own wife and of my sons Arard and Andrea and of my daughters Marie and Helvid"

• https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#HumbelineBaudement...
• https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambrien.htm

  ---