Agnes Bagley

Not the child of Edward Sutton, 5th Baron Dudley & Elizabeth Tomlinson

Possibly Agnes Tomlinson, the daughter of William Tomlinson and Agnes Dues who was baptized at St. Thomas 25 Jun 1577. But whatever her first name, the wife of John Bagley was definitely a sister of Elizabeth Tomlinson.

Edward Bagley was the son of John Bagley (1571 - 1625) and Agnes Tomlinson (1577 - bef 1629)

Biography

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tomlinson-1709

Agnes Tomlinson was baptized at St Thomas Church in Dudley, Worcester, England. [1] Her parents were William Tomlinson and Agnes Dues of Dudley.[2]

A small bequest in the will of Elizabeth Tomlinson, who was the mistress of Edward Sutton, 5th Baron Dudley, provides evidence that Elizabeth Tomlinson was the sister of the wife of John Bagley. Therefore, it has been determined that the wife of John Bagley was a daughter of William Tomlinson and Agnes Dues of Dudley, Worcester, England.

Besides Elizabeth Tomlinson, William Tomlinson / Tomlenson / Tumlenson of Dudley was the father of two other daughters, Jonne and Agnes:

Jonne Tomlinson was christened on 17 June 1569[3] Jonne Tomlinson married William Troughton in 1595. [4]
Agnes Tomlinson was christened on 25 June 1577.[5] By a process of elimination, Agnes has been determined the most likely candidate for the wife of John Bagley.
Marriage and Children

Although no marriage record has been located, it can be estimated that Agnes Tomlinson married John Bagley circa 1600. The baptism of their first known child was recorded on October 18, 1602 at St Edmonds church in Dudley, England.

Children of John Bagley and Agnes Tomlinson:

1. Edward Bagley. Baptized 18 October 1602 at St. Edmonds.[6]
2. John Bagley. Baptized 28 December 1603 at St. Edmonds.[7]
3. Dudley Bagley. Baptized 1 September 1605 at St. Edmonds.[8]
4. Daughter Bagley. Born and buried 27 December 1606 at St. Edmonds.
5. Elizabeth Bagley. Baptized 9 February 1607/8 at St. Edmonds.[9]
6. Thomas Bagley. Baptized May 1610 at St. Thomas.[10]

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This lineage needs documentation. (See below)

Edward and his mistress Elizabeth did not have a daughter Ann.

Edward and his wife Theodosia had a daughter Ann who married Hans Meinhart von Schomberg.

src: www.tudorplace.com.ar/Sutton.htm#AnneSUTTON2

Please note: the above is speculation based on a wealth of circumstantial evidence, but has not yet been definitely proven or disproven from documents of that time, and may never be. I have spent several hours on this question and am currently gathering as many original documents as possible. I will try to post the whole story in my Mysteries section this Fall, but briefly: what was generally considered fact (the above) was thrown out the window in 1996 by Chas. Hansen when he discovered a reference to Edward Bagley's relation to Elizabeth Tomlinson (image courtesy of Linda J. Coate) as "nepoti() ex matre", which he translated as nephew. In Classical Latin, this was grandson, but in Medieval Latin, could have been either. There are at least two experts on both sides of this question. More interesting is that the clerk originally wrote "son" followed by some words I have not been able to decipher, and then crossed this out. On top of this, anyone who has worked with this sort of records knows how many mistakes they contain. Even if nephew was correct, there are at least two plausible theories that still connect Edward to Sutton, including the sister theory. Facts are (among many others too numerous to go into now) that John Bagley, after his marriage to the supposed Sutton child, was a Deerkeeper on Suttons estate and later managed the estate in place of one of the sons, that John was treated by Sutton equally with many of his other (illegitimate) sons (in law) in many documents & dealings, that Edward Bagley was named administrator of Elizabeth's estate, that Elizabeth left as many bequests to the Bagleys as to her other (proven) children, even giving John Jr. a house when he married, and that one of her sons contested this will, claiming that Sutton had influenced the bequests to the Bagleys. Also, John & wife named their first child Edward, and others Dudley and Elizabeth. Edward named one of his sons Sutton. It has been claimed that the Bagleys received more than Elizabeth's other children because these other children were otherwise taken care of. I now have copies of the original wills of some of these children as well as that of John (above). My preliminary conclusion is that John had nearly as much, if not more, to bequeath than some of the other "children". Loyal "servant" or son in law? We may never know. However, in my story based on what I know so far, the son-in-law theory rates a "more likely than not"! So to continue.

References

• Reference: FamilySearch Family Tree - SmartCopy: Aug 23 2016, 22:12:38 UTC
• https://bdespain.org/gencol/famhis/bio11132/index.htm Elizabeth Tomlinson’s nuncupative will, dated 3 July 1629
• https://mixedgenes.eu/bagley-of-dudley/
• http://www.historywebsite.co.uk/articles/Dudley/Suttons.htm Ann & John Begley are not listed
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Sutton,_5th_Baron_Dudley#Marri... (1)
• 1. http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/du...
• Visitation of Norfolk, vol. 2 (Norwich, 1895), pp. 74-75: An incorrect genealogy was suggested in Henry Sydney Grazebrook, 'An Account of the Barons of Dudley', Collections for a History of Staffordshire, vol. 9 (1880), p. 113 < Archive.Org >
• The American Genealogist vol. 71, no. 1 (January 1996): 36-48. The Ancestry of William and Ann (Bagley) Brinton: Quaker Immigrants to Pennsylvania, by Charles M. Hansen. < AmericanAncestors >
• Schoonover, Janetta W, Gilbert Cope, and Ellen S. Brinton. The Brinton Genealogy: A History of William Brinton Who Came from England to Chester County, Pennsylvania in 1684 and of His Descendants, with Some Records of the English Brintons. (Trenton, N.J: Press of MacCrellish & Quigley Co, 1924): 96-104. < AncestryImage >
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tomlinson-1709 cites

1. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7WL-3YY : 11 February 2018, Willm. Tumlenson in entry for Agnes Tumlenson, 25 Jun 1577); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 990,209.
2. ↑ "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NL63-H2H : 10 February 2018), Willm. Tumlenson and Agnes Dues, Feb 1562; citing Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England, reference , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 990,209.
3. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRSL-1XR : 11 February 2018, Willm. Tomlenson in entry for Jonne Tomlenson, 17 Jun 1569); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 990,209.
4. ↑ "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N21W-RH3 : 10 February 2018), Will. Troughton and Jone Tomlinson, 12 Oct 1595; citing Saint Matthew,Walsall,Stafford,England, reference , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 0973340 IT 2, 421612, 497336, 497337, 497338, 497339.
5. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7WL-3YT : 11 February 2018, Agnes Tumlenson, 25 Jun 1577); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 990,209.
6. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYGN-FXL : 11 February 2018, John Bagley in entry for Edward Bagley, 18 Oct 1602); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 477,645.
7. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG25-1J5 : 11 February 2018, John Bagley, 29 Dec 1603); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 477,645.
8. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRSG-331 : 11 February 2018, John Bagley in entry for Thomas Bagley, May 1610); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 990,209.
9. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JM6N-4QB : 11 February 2018, John Bagley in entry for Elyzabeth Bagley, 09 Feb 1607); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 477,645.
10. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRSG-331 : 11 February 2018, John Bagley in entry for Thomas Bagley, May 1610); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 990,209.
11. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7WL-3YT : 11 February 2018, Agnes Tumlenson, 25 Jun 1577); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 990,209.

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