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Elidir ap Sandde

Also Known As: "King of SOUTH RHEGED", "Elidyr Lydanwyn"
Birthplace: Isle of Man
Death: 801 (71-80)
Isle of Man
Immediate Family:

Son of Sandde ap Alcwn and Celeinion verch Tudwal
Father of Gwriad ap Elidir

Occupation: King of Ynys Manaw (Isle of Man), King of Man, Prince of Deheubarth, King Elydry of Isle of Man
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About Elidir ap Sandde

See Peter Bartrum, (February 6, 2023; Anne Brannen, curator)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Royal Family of Powys - Nest ferch Cadell ap Brochwel; (Steven Ferry, October 13, 2019.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Harleian Ms 3859; (Steven Ferry, March 8, 2021.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Bartrum's "Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs" #30 - Cilmin Droed Ddu; (Steven Ferry, March 16, 2021.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Cynan Dindaethwy - Furter Notes; (Steven Ferry, October 21, 2022.)



0790— Elidyr map Sandde map Alcwn map Tegid map Gwyar map Llywarch Hen is a direct descendant of the last British king of South Rheged. Elidyr's son, Gwriad, becomes king of Gwynedd in 815, still carrying the title, Heir to South Rheged. Physical control of the region, however, has long since fallen to Northumbria, although southern sections may be conquered by Mercia during its ascendancy around this time.[1]

Elidir was born in 708. Elidir Sandde ... He passed away in 801.

Prince Elidyr ap Sandde moves the exiled Royal House of South Rheged from Powys to the Isle of Man. c. 750

King of Ynys Manaw (Isle of Man) about 790-801

ID: I102148


Sex: M

Birth: Abt 720 CE

Death: Y 1

Change Date: 13 Jan 2009 at 01:51

Note: Alias: Ap Sandef/

Father: SANDDE AP ALCWN b: 690 CE

Marriage 1 CELEMION FERCH TUDWAL b: Abt 720 CE


Change Date: 13 Jan 2009


GWRIAD AP ELIDYR af Man b: Between 738 and 750 CE


Abbrev: Sutton Folk Family Tree 3175463.ged

Title: Sutton Folk Family Tree

Sutton Folk Family Tree 3175463.ged

Author: Folk, Linda Sutton


Name: Elidir Ap Sandde 1

Sex: M

Birth: ABT 708 1

Death: Deceased 1

Father: Sandde Ap Alcwn b: ABT 674

Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown


Gwriad Ap Elidir Of Man King Of Gwynedd b: ABT 738

Historical Event: Gunpowder, reportedly produced from saltpetre, sulphur and charcoal, is a Chinese invention. Earliest records of the formula date to the 800s. The Chinese used gunpowder to propel rockets, and to produce incendiary and explosive projectiles thrown by catapult. By the 1200s, a Chinese Bureau of Munitions was operating seven factories that produced 7,000 rockets and 21,000 bombs a day. The weaponry included a so-called "thunder-crash bomb", which the Chinese unleashed in 1232 on Mongol troops besieging Kaifeng, capital of the north Chinese Jin Empire. During the later years of the 13th century, the Chinese invented cannons, using gunpowder to fire projectiles from metal barrels.

One of the first recorded applications of gunpowder in European military history occurred at the 1346 Battle of Crecy, where the English arsenal included little gunpowder "firepots." These had little impact on the outcome of the battle, acting merely as curious adjuncts to the English longbows that won the day. By 1350, however, Petrarch was able to make the observation that guns had become "... as common and familiar as any other kind of arms." The Ottoman Turks embraced gunpowder with enthusiasm, using it with spectacular effect during their assault on Constantinople in 1453. In preparation for the attack, Mehmet II hired a European craftsman to manufacture seven huge cannons, including one 25-ton monster that could fire stone balls almost a mile.

AKA ~ Elidur.

ID: I19055

Name: Elidir (Elidyr) ap SANDDE KING OF SOUTH RHEGED

Given Name: Elidir (Elidyr) ap SANDDE

Surname: King of SOUTH RHEGED

Sex: M

Change Date: 13 MAY 2009



!Arch Rec: Wurts Magna Charta; Ancestral Lines; Royal Ancestors of Magna Charta

Barons; Plantagenet Ancestry; (birth 680);


Birth: 708 in Powys, Montgomeryshire, Wales, United Kingdom

Christening: North Wales

Death: in Isle Man, England, United Kingdom

Reference Number: > 404 WEL

Father: Sandde ap ALEWN (AP ALCWN) b: 674 in North Wales

Mother: Celeinion ferch TUDWAL b: 678 in Isle Man, England, United Kingdom

Marriage 1 Celemion ferch TUDWAL


Gwriad "Of Man" Ap ELIDIR KING OF GWYNEDD b: ABT 738 in North Wales


Abbrev: Pedigree Resource File CD 6

Title: Pedigree Resource File CD 6 (Salt Lake City, UT: Intellectual Reserve, Inc., 1999)serve, Inc., 1999)serve, Inc., 1999).


Elidyr ap Sandde, Brenin Ynys Manau1

b. circa 720

Father Sandde ab Alcun1 b. circa 690

    Also called Elider English. Elidyr ap Sandde, Brenin Ynys Manau was the 4th great grandson of Llywarch Hen, and heir to the lost Kingdom of South Rheged.1 Also called Elidurus filius Xanthus Latin. He was born circa 720 at Powys, Wales.1 He was the son of Sandde ab Alcun.1 Elidyr ap Sandde, Brenin Ynys Manau married Celemion verch Tudwal o Ynys Manau, daughter of Brenin Ynys Manau Tudwal III ab Anarawd o Ynys Manau, before 750.1 Elidyr ap Sandde, Brenin Ynys Manau transferred his family from Powys to Ynys Manaw (Isle of Man) when he married the heiress of its little Kingdom in the mid-8th century circa 750.1 Heir to South Rheged circa 750.1 He died at Isle of Man, Wales.


Celemion verch Tudwal o Ynys Manau b. circa 720


Gwriad ab Elidyr, Brenin Ynys Manau+ b. c 750, d. 8251,2


[S266] EBK, online

[S483] Stewart Baldwin, Llywelyn ap Iorwerth's ancestors in "Baldwin-Llywelyn," listserve message Dec 1998, The genealogy which purports to make Gwriad a direct male-line descendant of Llywarch Hen is almost certainly a late fabrication. It is more likely that his paternal ancestors were among those who are named in HG.4, but the exact line of descent (if any) is uncertain, and Gwriad's parentage must be regarded as unknown..

Prince Elidyr ap Sandde moves the exiled Royal House of South Rheged from Powys to the Isle of Man. c. 750

King of Ynys Manaw (Isle of Man) about 790-801

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