Herbert "The Chamberlain" of Winchester

Medilands (16 Nov 2021) Untitled English Nobility D – K "FitzHerbert"

HENRY. m ---. "The name of Henry’s wife is not known. Henry & his wife had" [at least one child]:

1. HERBERT FitzHenry, son of HENRY & his wife --- (-[1129/30]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified.
[Domesday Book records land held by “Herbert the Chamberlain” in Rhode and Selborne in Neatham Hundred, Soberton in Meonstoke Hundred in Hampshire[556]. It is not known whether these entries relate to the future chamberlain of King Henry I.]
Chamberlain of Henry I King of England from 1101.
"…Herbertus regis camerarius…" subscribed a charter dated Sep 1101 under which Bishop Herbert donated property to Norwich priory[557].
The Hyde Register lists "Herbertus camerarius, Arnulfus filius eius, Emma uxor eius" immediately after the names of King Henry I and his first wife[558].
An undated charter of Thomas Archbishop of York records that "domino Herberto Camerario et filio eius" were enfeoffed with "Laudesbrough, cum Tolethorpe, Wiverthorpe cum Helperthorp et duabus Luttunis in Turgisleby" and other properties in Yorkshire and in Gloucestershire, witnessed by "…Herbertus filius…"[559].
The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Herb Camer" in Bedfordshire and Warwickshire[560]. As his son appears in the same source holding lands of his father, it is assumed that Herbert FitzHenry died during the course of that year.
m EMMA daughter of ---.
The Hyde Register lists "Herbertus camerarius, Arnulfus filius eius, Emma uxor eius" immediately after the names of King Henry I and his first wife[561].
Secondary sources state that she was Emma de Blois, illegitimate daughter of Etienne Comte de Blois & his mistress ---. This is presumably based on the Chronicle of Meaux, in Yorkshire, which names "comitis --- Herberti filius, ex Emma sorore regis Anglorum Stephani progenitus"[562]. As this source is dated to [1394/1400], it is unlikely to be conclusive in relation to events which occurred 250 years earlier in the absence of other corroborative evidence.
Eyton includes no reference to any wife of Herbert FitzHenry in his article on the barony of FitzHerbert[563].
Until further evidence comes to light, it is suggested that the information be considered with caution. If it is correct, the chronology of the FitzHerbert family dictates that Emma must have been born while her supposed father was still young, maybe even before his marriage to Adela of England in 1080.

Herbert & his wife had six children:

1. ARNULF. The Hyde Register lists "Herbertus camerarius, Arnulfus filius eius, Emma uxor eius" immediately after the names of King Henry I and his first wife[564].
2. RICHARD. The Descriptio militum de Abbatia de Burgo records "Ricardus filius Hereberti Camerarii" with "feodum dimidii militis" held from "abbatia de Burch" [in Hampshire][565].
3. HERBERT FitzHerbert [I] (-[before 1155]). The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Herbt fil Herbti Camer…tra patis sui" in Hampshire[566]. An undated charter of Thomas Archbishop of York records that "domino Herberto Camerario et filio eius" were enfeoffed with "Laudesbrough, cum Tolethorpe, Wiverthorpe cum Helperthorp et duabus Luttunis in Turgisleby" and other properties in Yorkshire and in Gloucestershire, witnessed by "…Herbertus filius…"[567]. "…Hereberto filio Hereberti…" subscribed a charter of Renaud Earl of Cornwall which names "matertere mee Aliz Corbet"[568]. m ([1115/25]%29 SIBYL Corbet Lady of Alcester and Pontesbury, formerly mistress of HENRY I King of England, daughter of ROBERT Corbet of Alcester, co Warwick & his wife --- ([1090/95]-after 1157). The Complete Peerage deduces her parentage, relationship with King Henry, and her subsequent marriage from a charter, dated to [1163/75], of her son "Reginaldus, Henrici Regis filius, comes Cornubiæ" by which he granted property to "Willielmo de Boterell, filio Aliziæ Corbet, materteræ meæ" which he had granted to "Willielmo de Boterells in Cornubia, patri…predicti Willielmi" on his marriage, witnessed by "Nicholao filio meo…Herberto filio Herberti, Baldwino et Ricardo nepotibus meis, Willelmo de Vernun, Willielmo fratre meo…Hugone de Dunstanvill…"[569]. The [1125/35] birth date range estimated for her son Herbert, born from this marriage, suggests that she married after her relationship with the king. The Pipe Roll of 1157 records a payment to "the mother of Earl Reginald" from an estate at Mienes, Sussex[570].

Herbert & his wife had [five] children.
(a) ROBERT FitzHerbert (-before 1165). Henry II King of England restored properties of "Roberto filio Hereberti Camerarii", held by "pater suus vel avus suus", by charter dated to [Feb/Mar] 1155, witnessed by "…Rainaldo comite Cornubie…Johanne Marescallo"[159]. Chamberlain of King Henry II. The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Robertus filius Herberti v m ii milites et dimidium" in Wiltshire in [1160/61] and [1161/62][160].
(b) HERBERT FitzHerbert [II] ([1125/35]-before 18 Jul 1204). “Willelmus filius Hugonis de Bridssale” donated property “de feudo Herberti filii Herberti” to Watton convent by charter dated to [1175/95][161]. His birth date range is estimated based on the latest birth date of his wife, bearing in mind the probable date of birth of his half-brother Renaud Earl of Cornwall and his own date of death. - see below.
(c) HENRY FitzHerbert (-after 1171). The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Henricus filius Herberti v m ii milites et dimidium" in Wiltshire in [1160/61][162]. The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Henricus filius Herberti xx s" in Wiltshire in [1171/72][163].
(d) [WILLIAM (-after 1187). "…Herberto filio Herberti…Willielmo fratre meo…" subscribed the charter, dated to [1163/75], under which "Reginaldus, Henrici Regis filius, comes Cornubiæ" granted property to "Willielmo de Boterell, filio Aliziæ Corbet, materteræ meæ" which he had granted to "Willielmo de Boterells in Cornubia, patri…predicti Willielmi" on his marriage[164]. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record that "Willelmus frater comitis Reginaldi" held half of one knight´s fee from "Roberti filii Regis" in Devon[165]. Benedict of Peterborough records that Henry II King of England granted the kingdom of Limerick to "Hereberti filio Hereberti, et Willelmo fratri comitis Reginaldi, et Joellano de la Pumerai nepoti eorum" at a council in Oxford in May 1177, but that "Herbertus et Willelmus, fratres Reginaldi comitis Cornubiæ, et Joellanus de Pumeria nepos eorum" declined it at a council at Marlborough 3 Jun 1177[166]. None of the primary sources so far consulted conclusively indicates whether William was the full brother of Earl Renaud or his half-brother by their mother´s marriage to Herbert FitzHerbert. However, the order in which the individuals are named in the documents quoted above suggests that William was younger than Herbert, in which case it is more likely that he was the uterine brother of the earl. The question has been confused by the possible co-identity between William, brother of Earl Renaud, and Willliam brother of Sibyl Queen of Scotland. However, as discussed above, the chronology is unfavourable for this co-identity to be correct. Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of la Trinité de Caen, including the donation by "Willelmi filii Herberti" of "decimam…in Willun", by charter dated to [1180/82][167]. m ALICE, daughter of ---. "Willelmus de Marisco frater Reginaldi comitis Cornubie" names his wife Alice in a charter[168].]
e) [ROHESE (-1176). The parentage of Rohese is uncertain. Renaud Earl of Cornwall granted Roseworthy manor in Cornwall to his sister "Rohesia de Pomeria" in a charter[582]. The wife of Henry de la Pomerai was either Rohese, illegitimate daughter of Henry I King of England & his mistress Sibyl Corbet, or Sibyl’s daughter by her husband Herbert FitzHerbert. m HENRY [I de la Pomerai], son of JOSCELIN de la Pomerai & his wife Emma --- (-[1156/64]).]

4. WILLIAM FitzHerbert (-8 Jun 1154). The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Willo fil Herb" in Wiltshire[583]. Stephen King of England granted property "ecclesiam de Wiverthorpe, ecclesiam de Laudesbrough et ecclesiam de Clera", held by "Herberti fratris eius", to "Willielmus thesaurarius Eborum, capellanus meus"[584]. Archbishop of York 1143-1153. Bishop of Durham 1153-1154. John of Fordun’s Scotichronicon (Continuator) records the death in 1154 "infra ablutiones liquore lethali infectus" of "Willelmus Cumyn Eboracensis archiepiscopus"[585].
5. daughter. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Robt de Venuiz…p filia Herbt Camer cu dote sua" in Hampshire[586], which suggests that the marriage had been recent. m ([1129/30]) ROBERT de Venuiz, son of ---.
6. daughter. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Wills Croc…p filia Herb Camer cu maritag suo" in Berkshire[587], which suggests that the marriage had been recent. m ([1129/30]) WILLIAM Croc, son of ---.

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Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Herbert Family Pedigree; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id40.html . (Steven Ferry, April 21, 2020.)

He was Chamberlain and Treasurer of England under William I and William II. He is often called a son of Piers de Vermandois, who was probably invented to provide a genealogical link to the counts of Vermandois. According to Weis, his ancestry has not been proven. Burke's Commoners, a notoriously unreliable source, says he was a great grandson of Héribert de Vermandois.

Herbert FitzHenry of Winchester, Chamberlain of Henry I King of England

d. 1129
Parents unknown
married Emma de Blois 1st
married Milisent 2nd
Children with Emma de Blois:
Herbert FitzHerbert
William FitzHerbert
daughter m. Robert de Venuiz
daughter m. William Croc
Child with Milisent:
Stephen FitzHerbert

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Herbert "the Chamberlain" was of unproven ancestry. He is said to be the great-grandson of Herbert, Comte de Vermandois, the lineal descendant of Charlemagne.

He held lands in 1086 at Hampshire, Englandl he acquired more lands in Bedfordshire, Hampshire, Gloucester, and Yorkshire.

He was Chamberlain and Treasurer under Kings William II and Henry I between 1098 and 1130.

Herbert died before 1130.

See "My Lines" ( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p363.htm#i8064 ) from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA ( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )