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About Hugh de Venables, Baron of Kinderton
3. Hugh de Venables, baron of Kinderton in the time of Roger Abbot of Chester, 1240-1249. Hugh married twice and his children are from his second wife. 2nd wife Agnes dau of Ranulph de Oxton. In addition to their heir Roger there was also daughters, Elizabeth and Beatrix, wife of Roger de Toft about 51 Hen III.
Links
- https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/106384441/hugh-de_venables
- http://www.multiwords.de/genealogy/Ve20%20Joan%20Venables.html has more accurate dating I believe.
- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hwbradley/aqwg1331.htm#21919
- http://cybergata.com/roots/5229.htm
- http://www.thornber.net/cheshire/htmlfiles/venables.html
Hugh de VENABLES Baron of Kinderton [Parents] 1, 2 was born 1170 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England. He was the son of Sir William de VENABLES Baron of Kinderton (died 1228) by an unknown wife.
He died 1250 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England. Hugh married Agnes de OXTON on 1192 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England.
Other marriages:
, Wentilian
Agnes or Alice de OXTON [Parents] was born 1176 in Oxton, Cheshire, England. She married Hugh de VENABLES Baron of Kinderton on 1192 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England.
They had the following children:
M i Sir Roger de VENABLES Baron of Kinderton was born 1193 and died 1261.
F ii Elizabeth de VENABLES 1 was born 1195 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England.
F iii Beatrix de VENABLES was born 1198.
Sources:
1. Ormerod, George, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (London: Lackington, Hughes, Mavor & Jones, 1819.), 3:198, Family History Library, 942.71 H2or.
2. Boyer, Carl, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Santa Clarita, California: C. Boyer, 2001.), p. 253, Los Angeles Public Library, 929.2 A141-2.
Babel.HathiTrust: The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester..., Vol. 3 –
- "V. Hugh de Venables, son and heir of William, grants to his son Roger, by deed (24) without date (witnessed by Charles abbot of Stanlaw, Roger abbot of Chester, and others), his lands in Eccleston, and the advowson of the church, to the intent that he should endow with ten pounds worth of land in the same, his wife Alice, daughter of Alan de Peninton; to the same Roger he grants the manor of Witton, and the advowson of Routhestorne (25) : to this deed he affixes a seal charged with the present coat of Venables, and circumscribed "SIGILLUM HUGON' DE VENABLES." He occurs in various other deeds relating to Rosthorne (28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 61), and by the deed last cited grants the fourth of that vill to his daughter Elizabeth, who occurs from 1253 to 1261, after this grant (40, 41, 42). He had also issue Beatrix, wife of Roger de Toft." [He further occurs in a charter, temp. Hen. III. by which he grants, with the consent of his wife Agnes, all his land in Morisbarue which Randle de Ox’on gave him in frank-marriage with Agnes his daughter, to William de Venables (probably his brother), as appears in the account of Moorsbarrow-cum-Parme.]"
- See also page 196.
Wikitree: Hugh (Venables) de Venables (1191-1249
Book
- "The Barons of Kinderton": Archive.org
- “4. HUGH VENABLES — The first known member of the family to be named Hugh was the lord of Kinderton from about 1240 for only six or seven years. It seems that the seal he used on charters is the first evidence of the coat of arms bearing the two bars. For some reason these arms appear painted among the spandrals of the wall-arcade on the south side of the nave in Westminster Abbey. The arms are alongside those of Roger de Monte Alto (1265-97); others in the arcade include: William, Earl of Ferrers and Derby (1239-79), William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury (1193-1254), William de Valence, Earl of Pembroke (d.1296), Roger de Mortimer (1231-1282), William de Percy (1192-45), Roger de Clifford (1189-1232), Roger de Somery (1208-73) and John de Verdon (1256-95); Ful Fitz Warren (b. 1220-64) and Robert de Thweng (1205-68).{Fn: Inventory of Monuments of Westminster Abbey. The Church; in An Inventory of the Historical Monuments in London, Volume 1, Westminster Abbey (London, 1924), pp. 17-76. British History Online.}
- Each of these men lived in the mid- to late-13th century, but what do they have in common. Given their dates it would suggest that it is this Hugh Venables, or his son, who is commemorated here - but why?{Fn: The painted inscription says Roger Venables but that was repainted in 1954 and is not necessarily the original name.} At one time the arms of Vernon, Malpas appeared on the north side of the nave, thus giving four of the eight ancient baronies of Cheshire being represented. Apart from the Lord Edward, later King Edward I, all Henry Ill's near relatives who were living when the Abbey was being rebuilt are represented in this range of shields. We find the arms of his brothers and brothers-in-law, his younger son and his sons-in-law. Do the arms represent benefactors?”
Journal(s) – Book(s)
- McGraw, Darrell L. 1992. "The Venable Letter (11 Vols.) [https://search. [worldcat.org/title/29925021 Wolrdcat.org].
- Weis, Frederick Lewis and William Ryland Beall. 2006. The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna Charta, 1215, and Some of Their Descendants who Settled in America During the Early Colonial Years Google Books. — Names him as father of Alice on line 130.
Hugh de Venables, Baron of Kinderton's Timeline
1191 |
1191
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Kinderton Cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England
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1211 |
1211
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Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England
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1230 |
1230
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Kinderton Cum Holme, Northwich, Cheshire, England
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1269 |
1269
Age 78
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Kinderton Cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England
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1943 |
August 10, 1943
Age 78
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August 10, 1943
Age 78
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1944 |
March 8, 1944
Age 78
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March 8, 1944
Age 78
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1961 |
September 19, 1961
Age 78
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