Joan Leek

"Joan, daughter and heiress of Thomas Talbot (living 1377, died before 1388), by his wife, Elizabeth, daughter of James Belers/Bellers."

Notes

from Re: Talbot of Swannington, Bellers, and Leek 2004 < GoogleGroups >

According to Simon Payling's *Political Society in Lancastrian England: The Greater Gentry of Nottinghamshire* (1991), Simon Leek (d. 1420s) of Leake and Cotham, Notts., was married to Joan Talbot, daughter of Sir John Talbot of Swannington. Payling indicates that Simon Leek and Joan Talbot were married ca. 1405. Roskell, in *The House of Commons 1386-1421*, mentions that Simon Leek's wife (Joan) was the cousin of a Walter Prest of Melton Mowbray.

From “Did Elizabeth Eure marry thrice?” (SGM, Oct 15, 2015, 5:57:03 AM, Kevin Barton et al] < GoogleGroups >

Elizabeth (Mallory) Eure's parents were Sir Thomas Mallory (died before 1405) and his wife, Joan, daughter and heiress of Thomas Talbot (living 1377, died before 1388), by his wife, Elizabeth, daughter of James Belers/Bellers.

Thomas Talbot in turn was the son and heir apparent of Sir John Talbot (born c.1325, died before 1406), of Swannington, Leicestershire, and Sedgebrook, Lincolnshire, by an unknown 1st wife.

Elizabeth Mallory's mother, Joan Talbot, married (1st) Richard de Swillington (living 1388); (2nd) Thomas Mallory, Knt. (died before 1405); and (3rd) about Jan. 1405 Simon Leeke, Esq. (died c.1439), of Leake and Cotham, Nottinghamshire. Joan Talbot has many descendants by her 3rd marriage to Simon Leeke, Esq.

In answer to your question, Joan Talbot is specifically identified as the widow of Sir Thomas Malory, Knt. in the 2nd fine below dated 1405.

From the chronology, social rank, family intermarriages, and her place of origin [Leicestershire], it makes perfect sense that the Sir Thomas Malory who was Joan Talbot's husband was the Sir Thomas Malory who was the son of Sir Anketil Malory, of Kirkby Mallory, Leicestershire (died 1393) and his wife, Alice Driby. We know that Sir Thomas, son of Anketil, was living as an adult c.1401 (birth of his daughter), that he was knighted before his early death, and that he was dead before 1412. Since his only known child was born c.1401, he presumably died in or before 1405. To be a knight, you usually had to have one to three manors. Sir Thomas, son of Anketil, would fit that requirement.

Like Sir Thomas Malory, Joan Talbot was from Leicestershire. She evidently married (1st) c.1388 to Richard son of Robert de Swillington. It that year her grandfather John Talbot made a settlement of lands, and she and her husband were included in the remainders [see first fine copied below]. My guess is that Joan was very young in 1388, at least 7, but more likely 12 or 13.

Joan Talbot was still young enough to have 4 children by her 3rd marriage to Simon Leek, which marriage took place in 1405. My guess is that she was born c.1375. I believe Sir Thomas Malory was born c.1380.

We know that Sir Thomas Malory's full sister, Margaret Malory, was married to Sir Robert Moton, of Peckleton, Leicestershire, Cheadle, Staffordshire, etc., Knight of the Shire for Leicestershire, 1422, Sheriff of Warwickshire and Leicestershire, 1451-2. He was born about 1372-74 (aged 17 in 1391, 30 in 1412).

Joan Talbot's grandfather, Sir John Talbot, born c.1325, died before 1406, was allegedly married to Alice Moton, who was the great-aunt of Sir Robert Moton, the husband of Margaret Malory. So there was an earlier intermarriage between these same families.

As for Joan Talbot's grandfather, Sir John Talbot, I find that he was co-heir in 1376 to his cousin, Richard Frene. As such, I assume he inherited lands in Herefordshire that could have gone to the Eure family.

"She evidently married (1st) c.1388 to Richard son of Robert de Swillington. It that year her grandfather John Talbot made a settlement of lands, and she and her husband were included in the remainders [see first fine copied below]. My guess is that Joan was very young in 1388, at least 7, but more likely 12 or 13. Joan Talbot was still young enough to have 4 children by her 3rd marriage to Simon Leek, which marriage took place in 1405. My guess is that she was born c.1375."

Genealogy

Stirnet: ‘Leeke01’

• Sir John Leeke, lord of Cotham
  • 1. Sir Simon (not John) Leeke of Cotham, Nottinghamshire m. Margaret Vaux
    • A. Sir John Leeke or Leek of Cotham (MP) m. Isabell Towers (dau of John Towers of Somerby)
      • i. Sir Simon Leek of Cotham m. Joan Talbot (dau of Sir John [sic: Thomas] Talbot of Swanington)
        • a. Elizabeth Leek m. Sir Hugh Hercy of Grove
        • b. Mary Leek (d 17.02.1442/3) m. (before 18.05.1436) Sir Giles Daubney
        • c. Margaret Leek m. Sir John Markham of Sebrook (judge)
        • d. Anne Leek (nun) Thanks to a contributor (KLW, 05.03.08) for drawing our attention to the apparent fact that, before Anne entered a convent, she was married to .. m. Richard Willoughby (dsp 1471)
      • ii. Sir John Leek or Leake of Sutton, Derbyshire m. Alice Grey
        • a. William Leek or Leake of Langford m. Katherine Chaworth
          • (1) John Leake of Sutton m. Elizabeth Savage (dau of Sir John Savage of Clifton)
            • (A) Sir John Leake of Sutton (d 11.12.1522) m. (09.06.1489) Jane Foljambe (dau of Henry Foljambe of Walton by Benedicta Vernon)
              • (i) Sir Francis Leake of Sutton (d 01.08.1580) m. Elizabeth Paston (dau of Sir William Paston of Paston)
            • (B) Catherine Leek or Leake probably of this generation (but see below) m. (c1490) Godfrey Foljambe of Walton (b 27.03.1472, d 1541)
          • (2) Thomas Leake of Hasland (2nd son) m. Margaret Fox (dau of William Fox) name found on various web sites
            • (A) Elizabeth Leave m1. (1512) John Hardwick (d 1527) m2. Ralph Leche
      • iii. Margaret Leek or Leake m1. Godfrey Foljambe see above m2. Sir Thomas Rempston ## see here
    • B. William Leeke of Kirketon (a 1384, MP) m. Avice Stockton (dau/heir of John de Stockton by dau/heir (by Margaret) of Thomas de Kirketon son (by Beatrix) of Robert son of John son of Robert de Kirketon, probably son of Roger de Kireketon)

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Hercy pedigree in the Visitations of Nottinghamshire, 1569 & 1614. Has an error: John Leek who married Isabel Towers was the son of Simon Leek.
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References

• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Talbot-10