John Sayles Jr.

• BIRTH 1633 Greater Manchester, England
• BIRTH 1633 in Charlestown, Suffolk Co., MA
• DEATH 1681 (aged 47–48) Middletown, Newport County, Rhode Island, USA
• BURIAL Easton Lot, Middletown, Newport County, Rhode Island, USA
• MEMORIAL ID 19727689 by James A. Culipher & MRC

John Sayles Jr., son of John Sayles, sr. of Manchester, England, was brought to this country, by his father, in 1635, at the age of two years, and, after living for a time at Portsmouth, RI, he came to Providence, where, about 1650, he married Mary Williams, daughter of Roger and Mary Williams, of Providence. In 1653 he was treasurer of the Assembly which met at Providence, May 16. In 1656 he 'entered an anker of liquor.' The same year he assisted Thomas Angell in rescuing a prisoner from the custody of a Massachusetts officer. In 1657 he was empowered 'to treat with the Indians that lay claim to the meadows of Lohusqussuck, and clear it for the town and the above mentioned be accommodated therein.' In 1677 he was fined twenty shillings for not attending grand jury. During the thirty years or thereabouts, from the time of his marriage till his death, he was at different times commissioner, town clerk, town treasurer, warden, grand juror, a member of the town council, and he was twelve times chosen assistant or deputy. [1]

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John was brought to this country, by his father, in 1635, at the age of 2 years, and, after living for a time at Portsmouth, R. I., he came to Providence, where, about 1650, he married Mary Williams, daughter of the famous Roger and Mary (???) Williams, of Providence. According to tradition, John came from England with his brothers Richard and Thomas. Richard settled on what is now called Sayles Hill in Smithfield, RI and Thomas settled in Rehoboth. He purchased a house in Providence on 1/27/1650 from John Throckmorton. He bought land from Ralph Earle on 5/12/1652. He was an assistant to the Governor 1653-55-58-59. He was admitted a freeman in 1655. he was commissioner 1655-57. In 1656 he "entered an anker of liquor." The same year he assisted Thomas Angell in rescuing a prisoner from the custody of a Massachusetts officer.

In 1657 he was empowered "to treat with the Indians that lay claim to the meadows of Lohusqussuck, and clear it for the town and the above mentioned be accommodated therein."  He was town treasurer from 1659-1666.  He took the oath of allegiance 5/31/1666.  He served on the grand jury 1669-1671 and was deputy to the General Assembly 1669-71, 1677-78.  He served on the town council 1670-1671.  In 1677 he was fined 20 shillings for not attending grand jury. During the 30 years or thereabouts, from the time of his marriage till his death, he was at different times commissioner, town clerk, town treasurer, warden, grand juror, a member of the town council, and he was 12 times chosen assistant or deputy.  He died in 1681, and his grave with that of his wife and son-in-law, William Greene, can be found in the Easton burial ground, near Sachuset Beach, Middletown, R. I. [Thayer and Burton Ancestry, p. 97].

==Chronology== 1651, Jany. 27, he bought a house and lot of John Throckmorton on Aquidneck Island
1652, May 12, he bought land of Ralph Earle near West River.
1653, 55, 57, 58, 59 he was Assistant.
1655-57 he was Town Clerk.
1656, May 10, he entered an anker of liquor.
1657, Mar. 4, he wrote a letter on behalf of Providence to the town of Warwick about illegal arrest of Richard Chasmore by Mass. authorities.
1658, he was Warden.
1659-60, he was Town Treasurer.
1660, May 26, he sold land to Wm. Hawkins.
1663, AUG 21 moved to Providence, RI, deed still bears their names; see records of Providence, RI, Vol I.
1665, Feb. 19, he had lot 24 in division.
1666, May 31, he took oath of allegiance.
1669-71 he was on the Grand Jury.
1669, 70, 71, 74, 76, 77, 78 he was Deputy.
1670, May 4, he was named with three others to audit Colony accounts.
1670, June 24, he sold to Stephen Arnold one-thirteenth of the island called the Vineyard at Pawtuxet "which my father in law, Roger Williams, gave me."
1670, 71, Elected General Officer on the Providence Town Council
25 OCT 1671 2 Elected Deputy in the General Assembly of Rhode Island
1671, Aug. 21, he and Thomas Roberts were appointed to prize and transport the horse belonging to the town to R. I. and deliver to Joseph Torrey for pay't of debt due from this town.
20 JAN 1672 a piece of meadow near Providence, RI
1677, May 7, he was fined 20 s. for not attending Grand Jury.

Notes

John and Mary Sayles lived on Aquidneck Island and are buried near Easton's Beach, Middletown, Rhode Island. Both buried on farm of Peter Easton, Paradise Road, Middletown, R.I. Gravestone still standing. (1949). The early town records read, "Sold 5 acres of land, a piece of meadow, bounded on the north with a white oak, on the southeast with a white oak, on the southwest and northwest with oaks to Richard Euerindell on January 20, 1672."

The records read, "Thomas Olney Sr, Mr John Sayles, and Thomas Olney Jr. are Chosen to add to the General officers of this Town to makeup the Town Counsel; Mr William Harris and Mr John Sayles are Chosen surveyors, for the laying out of such Lands as are to be laid out in this Town of providence; Thomas Robarts, & John Smith (ye mason) are Chosen surveyors for the repairing of the High Ways." Olney was the maiden name of the wife of John Sayle's son.

Inscription
Hear Lyeth ye
Body of John
Sayles, who
died in ye
year 1681
aged 48 years

Spouse
Mary Williams Sayles 1636–1681

Children 9x all b. in Providence, RI
Mary Sayles Holmes 7/11/1652–1717
John Sayles III 8/17/1654–1727
Deborah Sayles Carr 1656–1728
Phebe Sayles Greene 1658–1744
Isabel Sayles Hicks 1659–1735
Anne Sayles ca 1662
Richard Sayles ca 1664
Elinor/Eleanor "Mary" Sayles Greene 1671–1714
Catherine Sayles Olney 1672–1753

References

[1] https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/19727689/john-sayles#

[2] Genealogies of Rhode Island Families by Cutter, William Richard, 1969

[3] http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=aew56&id=...

[4] http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mlstrickl...

[5] Walz / Sprague/ Connelly / Earl Genealogy by Arthur J. Walz Email: aewlz@aol.com

[6] New England Families: Genealogical and Memorial, Lewis Historical Publishing Co. 1914

[7] 10 Generations from William & Mary Dyer of Newport, R.I. by Liela Morse Wilson, Putnam, CT, private, 1949

[8] http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lucinda&i... Fowler/Read Contact: Rikki Email rikkisky@swcp.com

[9] http://www.genealogylibrary.com Memoirs of the Wilkinson Family by Israel Wilkinson, Davis & Penniman. Jacksonville, ILL. 1869

[10] MY ANCESTORS; IN MEMORY OF JOHN PAINE AND MARY ANN MAY OF E. WOODSTOCK, CT, Privately published, 1914 by Paine, Lyman, Broderbund - Family Tree Maker Online - GymnasticsLibrary.com Page: p 196

Sources

[11] Judith A. Hurst, Sayles Country, Gateway Press, Baltimore, 1986, p. 2 1

[12] Early town records of Providence, RI WWW Ancestry.COM Volume3, page 34

[13] A New England/New York Heritage, Joan Hicks Email: jhicks8311@sbcglobal.net

[14] "Genealogical Dictionary of Rhode Island, Who came before 1690", pages370 and 371 by John Osborne Austin

[15] Great Migration note - Not Related to John Sales of Charlestown & New Netherland! Ref NYGBR 123:72-73

[16] The Carr Book: Sketches of the Lives of many of the Descendants of Robert and Caleb Carr whose arrival on this continent in 1635 began the American story of our family, Arthur A. Carr, Ticonderoga, NY 1947 by Austin

[17] SAYLES COUNTRY, Gateway Press, Baltimore, 1986; Godfrey Library, Middletown, CT; Page: p 148 by Hurst, Judith A

[18] The Greenes of Rhode Island with Historical Records of England Ancestors by Louise Brown Clarke, Knickerbocker Press, New York, New York, 1903; Compiled by Julius A. Jahnke

Additional Data

1. _UID: 600BE882659DD5118F72444553540001EF25 1
2. ID: I974

Father: John Sayles

Mother: Phillipa Soales

Marriage 1 Mary Williams b: AUG 1633 in Plymouth, Plymouth Co., MA

   * Married: 1650 in Providence, Providence Co., RI

* Note: sfp 3
Children

  1. Has No Children Mary Sayles b: 11 JUL 1652

2. Has No Children John Sayles
3. Has Children Deborah Sayles b: ABT 1656 in Providence, Providence Co., RI
Father: * John 1 SAYLES b: 1600 in Sudbury, Suffolk, England

Mother: Phillipa SOLE b: 1602 in Sudbury, Suffolk, England c: 28 FEB 1602 in All Saints, Sudbury, England

Marriage 1 Mary WILLIAMS b: AUG 1633 in Plymouth, Plymouth Colony, MA

• Married: ABT 1650 in Providence, Rhode Island

1. D: I00767
2. Name: John Sayles
3. Sex: M
4. Birth: 1633 1
5. Death: 1681 in Middletown, RI

   From Paine, "My Ancestry", p 196:

JOHN SAYLES was born in 1633, lived in Providence, R. I. and died in 1681. In 1650 he married Mary, dau. of Roger Williams.
Father: John Sayles(Sales) b: ABT 1600 in Sudbury, Suffolk, Eng?

Mother: Phillip(a) Soales b: BEF 28 FEB 1601/02 in Sudbury, Suffolk, Eng

Marriage 1 Mary Williams b: AUG 1633 in Plymouth, MA

* Married: ABT 1650 in Providence, RI 3 1

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1 Disputed Parents
2 Biography
2.1 Note
2.2 Children[1]
3 Sources
Disputed Parents
G. Andrews Moriarty in "John Sayles of Providence." TAG 15:228 made this claim: "Turning now to the Providence records, we find that John Sayles was not the only person of the name early in Providence records [1645] (Prov. Rec., Vol. II p. 30). In view of the age of John, husband of Mary Williams, they cannot be the same person. I would suggest that this last is an older man. On 1 Oct 1663 Richard Sayles witnessed a deed of John Sayles (ie. husband of Mary Williams), and in 1688 Richard Sayles, as well as John, son of John and Mary, was taxed at Providence (Providence printed records, I, 6, and XVII, 127, 128)."He then suggested that John Sayles of 1645 was the father of John Sayles (Mary Williams' husband) and of Richard Sayles, and gives a description of John Sales of Charlestown whose daughter was Phebe. [1]

What Moriarty and subsequent writers missed was that John Sales, of Charlestown, whose daughter was Phebe, had removed to New Amsterdam. His daughter Phebe married there in 1640 and he made his will and died in 1645. [2]

An article in the NEHGR titled The Family of Phillip (Sole) Sayles of the Winthrop Fleet states that John Sales of Rhode Island has often been confused in many sources (including Sayles Country by Judith Hurst) with John Sales of the Winthrop Fleet who, with his daughter Phebe, relocated to New Amsterdam where he became known as Jan Celes and died in 1645; and thus cannot be the same as John Sales of Rhode Island.[3]

Parents removed: John Sales and Phillipa Sole/Soales

Were Richard Sayles and John Sayles perhaps brothers?

Biography
John was born in 1633. He was the son of ...

He passed away in 1681. [4] Find A Grave: Memorial #19727689

Birth: Cal 1633 Probably at Charlestown, Massachusetts Bay Colony. His gravestone says he was age 46 when he died in 1681.
Marriage 1650 to Mary Williams, when they were both 17.
Bet 1653 and 1659 Providence, Providence, Rhode Island Governor's Assistant
Bet 1655 and 1659 Providence, Providence, Rhode Island Town Commissioner
Bet 1655 and 1657 Providence, Providence, Rhode Island Town Clerk
Bet 1659 and 1660 Providence, Providence, Rhode Island Town Treasurer
Residence? 1675 Middletown, Newport, Rhode Island
Farm of Peter Easton taking refuge during King Philip's War
Death: 1681 Probably at Middletown
Burial: Middletown, Newport, Rhode Island, United States Easton Lot
Note
Both buried on farm of Peter Easton, Paradise Road, Middletown, R.I. Gravestone still standing. (1949)
Children[1]
Mary Sayles Green Holmes (1652-1717) b. 11 July 1652; m. (1) Warwick 17 Dec 1674 William Greene m. (2) John Holmes 12 Oct 1680: [1] Find A Grave: Memorial #19730518
John Sayles (1654-1727) b. 17 Aug 1654; d. 2 Aug 1727; m. (1) Elizabeth; m. 2 (Mary) [1] Find A Grave: Memorial #25402739
Deborah Sayles Carr (1656-1728) (b. c 1656; m. Caleb Carr, (1657–1700) [5] Find A Grave: Memorial #196032198
Isabel Sayles Hicks (1659-1735) b. c 1656; died after 1716; m. (1) John Tillinghast; m. (2) Robert Hicks [1] Find A Grave: Memorial #21493126
Phoebe b. about 1658; m. at Warwick 22 Jan 1684/5 Job Greene [1]
Elinor Sayles Greene (1671-1714) b. 1671 d. 11 March 1713/4; m. Warwick 16 Feb 1692/3 [1] Ricahrd Greene Find A Grave: Memorial #17902988
Catherine Sayles Olney (1672-1753) b. 1671; m. Providence 18 Dec 1692 William Olney. [1] Find A Grave: Memorial #21511287
Sources
↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 Moriarty, G. Andrews."John Sayles of Providence." The American Genealogist 15:228













[https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/american-genealogist-th... Link AmericanAncestors ($)↑ Book Reviews: "Sayles Country..." NYGBR 118:187 (1987)↑ Hatcher, Patricia Law. "The Family of Phillip (Sole) Sayles of the Winthrop Fleet", New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Vol. 168 (2014), pp. 43-57. https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/new-england-historical-and-genealogical-register/image?volumeId=20034&pageName=43&rId=43409714↑ Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 10 April 2019), memorial page for John Sayles, II (1633–1681), Find A Grave: Memorial #19727689, citing Easton Lot, Middletown, Newport County, Rhode Island, USA ; Maintained by Scout (contributor 47319613).↑ http://www.rogerwilliams.org/genealogy/4-gen0001.htm Descendants of Roger Williams from rogerwilliams.orgWilson, Liela Morse. 10 Generations from William & Mary Dyer of Newport, R.I. (Putnam, Windham, CT, private, 1949)Austin, John Osborne. Ancestry of Thirty-Three Rhode Islanders Born in the 18th Century (Albany, N.Y.: Published by Joel Munsell's Sons: 1889)Anthony, Bertha Williams. Roger Williams of Providence, R.I. (Published by Mrs. C. W. Bertha Williams Anthony, 1949)Clarke, Louise Brownell. The Greenes of Rhode Island (Knickerbocker Press, New York, 1903)Wilkinson, Israel. Memoirs of the Wilkinson Family (Davis & Penniman. Jacksonville, ILL. 1869)Mary Williams, in White, Dorothy Higson, and Kay Kirlin Moore. Descendants of Roger Williams. (East Greenwich, Rhode Island: Roger Williams Family Association, c1991- (Baltimore : Gateway Press)), Book III; p. 7. Mary married in 1650 John Sayles, born probably at Charlestown, Massachusetts Bay Colony 1630(33); died in 1681 probably at Middletown, third child and first son of John and Phillip(a) (Soale) Sayles.John Sayles, II, in Find A Grave.Roger Williams Family Association, Incorporated January 30, 1906, Sources: Carpenter, Edmund J., Litt.D., Roger Williams, New York, 1909; Anthony, Bertha W., Roger Williams of Providence, RI, Vol. II, Cranston, RI, 1966; Haley, John Williams, The Old Stone Bank History of Rhode Island , Vol. IV, Providence, 1944; Hall, May Emery, Roger Williams, Boston, 1917.Hurst, Judith A. Sayles Country (Gateway Press, Baltimore, 1986)The Wightman Heritage by Wade Wighman

book "Representative Men and Old Families of Rhode Island: Genealogical Records and Historical Sketches of Prominent and Representative Citizens volume 1" JH Beers & Co 1908. John Sayles family and profile listed page 12. Internet Archive link: https://archive.org/details/representativeme1908jhbe/page/12/mode/1...

Additional submitted biography: "JOHN SAYLES, son of John Sayles, of Manchester, England, was brought to this country, by his father, in 1635, at the age of two years, and, after living for a time at Portsmouth, RI, he came to Providence, where, about 1650, he married Mary Williams, daughter of Roger and Mary Williams, of Providence." (Source unknown). This explanation seems unlikely as it is not supported by White, Dorothy Hinson. (2002). Descendants of Roger Williams, Book III: The Sayles Line Through His Daughter Mary Williams. Roger Williams Family Association, East Greenwich, RI. White (2002) records that his two older sisters, Phoebe and Sarah, were born in Little Waldingfield Parish, Suffolk County, England but that he and his younger brother, Richard, were probably born at Charlestown, Massachusetts Bay Colony (p. 2).

In 1653 he was treasurer of the Assembly which met at Providence, May 16. In 1656 he 'entered an anker of liquor.' The same year he assisted Thomas Angell in rescuing a prisoner from the custody of a Massachusetts officer. In 1657 he was empowered 'to treat with the Indians that lay claim to the meadows of Lohusqussuck, and clear it for the town and the above mentioned be accommodated therein.' In 1677 he was fined twenty shillings for not attending grand jury. During the thirty years or thereabouts, from the time of his marriage till his death, he was at different times commissioner, town clerk, town treasurer, warden, grand juror, a member of the town council, and he was twelve times chosen assistant or deputy.