John Williams

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On May 16, 2024, the BigY-700 test results came in from Family Tree DNA that proves without a doubt the father and the grandfather of John Williams.

Kit 1012131 (a Martin male) matched Kits 34645 and 994855 (both Williams males), meaning that all three share a common YDNA ancestor. That person is Rial Martin, born about 1765, likely in Colonial Virginia, who died about 1845 in Limestone County, Alabama. This R1a haplogroup subclade is R-FTA45618.

Rial Martin's father was William Martin, who was born about 1735 in Colonial Virginia. He died in 1809 in Surry County, North Carolina. Rial Martin is mentioned in his will.

William Martin descendant William D. Martin (Kit 1004273) tested for BigY-700, and has the subclade of R-FTB64834. William D. Martin descends via William Martin's only other known son Burrell Martin. And since R-FTB64834 is the "parent" subclade for R-FTA45618 and other descendant lines, we know that John Williams could not be the son of Burrell Martin.

The parents of William Martin who died in 1809 is unknown at this time. His direct descendant, Kit 1004273, shares a common ancestor with two more Martins (Kits 254443 and 236773) who was born about 1550, likely in England.

These critical YDNA tests prove the father and grandfather of John Williams, ending a decades-long quest to identify his genealogical history.

https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Williams-5398

John Williams
Born about 1794 in Virginia, United States

ANCESTORS ancestors
Son of Rial Martin and Catherine Williams
Brother of James Williams, William Martin [half], John Martin [half], Lucinda Martin [half], Lucy Ann (Martin) Gray [half], Richard Martin [half] and Sarah Frances (Martin) Hargrove [half]
Husband of Frances (Lane) Williams — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of Eveline (Yates) Williams — married 1836 in Kentucky, United Statesmap

DESCENDANTS descendants
Father of Malinda Ann (Williams) Sturgill, Jacob Henry Williams, Isaac Williams, Abraham Williams, Patience C. (Williams) Clark, James Madison Williams, Andrew Jackson Williams, Harrison Williams, Riley Williams, Rebecca (Williams) Alley, Amanda Williams, George Washington Williams, Thomas Williams and Louisa Jane Williams
Died 5 Nov 1873 at about age 79 in Floyd, Kentucky, United States

Biography
John Williams was born in 1794 in Virginia, in what is now part of Scott County. He married Frances Lane in 1816 in Scott County, Virginia. She died about 1830. He then married Eveline Yates on 10 Aug 1836 in Floyd County, Kentucky. He died on 5 Nov 1873 on Big Mud Creek in Floyd County, Kentucky, United States.

In May 2024, a dedicated group of researchers used BigY-700 YDNA testing to prove the father and grandfather of John Williams. His father was Rial Martin and his grandfather was William Martin. Please read the 36-page document that provides all the details on this years-long project.

Children
Patience Williams
Malinda Williams
Isaac Williams
Abraham Williams
Jacob Henry Williams
James Madison Williams
Andrew Jackson Williams
Rebecca Williams
Amanda Williams
John Riley Williams
Harrison Williams
George Washington Williams
Thomas Williams
Louisa Jane Williams

Sources
"Kentucky, County Marriages, 1797-1954,"; FamilySearch
John Williams and Everline Yates,
Marriage, 10 Aug 1836; Floyd, Kentucky, United States, to Eveline Yates.
Citing; various county clerks and county courts, Kentucky

"Kentucky, County Marriages, 1797-1954,", FamilySearch
John Williams in entry for marriage of daughter"
Jesse Sturgill and Malinda Williams, 20 Aug 1844; Marriage, Floyd, Pulaski, Kentucky, United States,
Citing; various county clerks and county courts, Kentucky;.

"Kentucky, County Marriages, 1797-1954,", FamilySearch
Robert in entry Marriage of son James Williams and Margaret Mead, 06 Jun 1846; Marriage, Floyd, Kentucky, United States,
Citing; various county clerks and county courts, Kentucky..

"Kentucky Death Records, 1911-1965," FamilySearch
John Williams in entry for death of son Harrison Williams, 1915; citing Death, Johnson, Kentucky, United States, certificate , Office of Vital Statistics, Frankfort;

"Kentucky, County Marriages, 1797-1954," FamilySearch:
John Williams in entry for Marriage of daughter.
Thomas Alley and Rebecca Williams, 20 Sep 1853; Marriage, Floyd, Kentucky, United States
citing, various county clerks and county courts, Kentucky.

"Kentucky Births and Christenings, 1839-1960", FamilySearch :
John Williams in entry for Louisa Jane Williams, 1857. Marriage of daughter

U.S. Federal Census

Year: 1830; Census Place: Scott, Virginia; Series: M19; Roll: 200; Page: 34, Ln-2

• Name James Williams
• Free White Persons - Males - Under 5 2
• Free White Persons - Males - 5 thru 9 2
• Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14 1
• Free White Persons - Males - 30 thru 39 1, b.(1791-1800)
• Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 14 2
• Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29 1
• Free White Persons - Females - 70 thru 79 1, b.(1751-1760)
  • Slaves - Males - Under 10 1
  • Slaves - Males - 10 thru 23 6
  • Slaves - Males - 24 thru 35 3
  • Slaves - Males - 36 thru 54 1
  • Slaves - Males - 55 thru 99 2
  • Slaves - Females - Under 10 2
  • Slaves - Females - 10 thru 23 8
  • Slaves - Females - 24 thru 35 2
  • Slaves - Females - 55 thru 99 1

U.S. Federal Census Year: 1840; Place: Scott, Virginia; Roll: 578; Page: 298
Name James Williams

• Free White Persons - Males - Under 5 1
• Free White Persons - Males - 5 thru 9 1
• Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14 2
• Free White Persons - Males - 15 thru 19 2
• Free White Persons - Males - 50 thru 59 1, b.(1781-1790)
• Free White Persons - Females - Under 5 1
• Free White Persons - Females - 40 thru 49 1
• Free White Persons - Females - 80 thru 89 1

U.S. Federal Census Year: 1850; Place: My District, Floyd, Kentucky; Roll: M432_200; Page: 410B., Family Number: 51,

• Household Members: Name, Age, Birthplace
• John Williams, 51, Virginia
• Eveline Williams, 30,
• Rebecca Williams, 13,
• Emily B Williams, 11,
• Amanda Williams, 8,
• John K Williams, 6,
• Harris Williams, 3,
• Eluster Yates, 18,
• Thirza Yates, 31

Census Date: 1850; RG: 29; Series: M432; Residence: Western District, Scott, Virginia; Roll: 975; Page: 463b

• :Household Members (Name) Age
• James Williams 55
• Tempy Williams 55
• George W Williams 17
• James Williams 15
• Elizabeth J Williams 13

U.S. Federal Census Year: 1860; Prestonsburg, Floyd, Kentucky; Roll: M653_367; Page: 137; Dwelling Number: 222, Family Number: 222

• Household Members: Name, Age, Birth Place:
• John Williams, 60, Virginia
  • Occupation: Farmer,
  • Personal Estate Value: 350,
  • Cannot Read, Write: Y,
• Eveline Williams, 37,
• Amanda Wright, 18,
• Stephen Wright, 30,
• Harris Williams, 13,
• Geo W Williams, 9,
• Thomas Williams, 6,
• Louisa J Williams, 2,
• Sally Lamb, 9

NOTE This note is not the case two different people!
He has two major genealogies. He is known as John Williams in one, and James Williams in the other. It's the same person with the same children and the same two wives. He is often referred to as John James Williams.

DNA
Paternal relationship is confirmed through Y-chromosome DNA testing. Kenneth Williams, FTDNA kit #B532349, and his 4th cousin once removed, James Alan Williams, FTDNA kit #36162, match at a Genetic Distance of 3 on 37 markers thereby confirming their direct paternal lines back to their MRCA John Williams. FTDNA indicates that the probability the two share a common ancestor within the last 8 generations is 70.5% and within the last 12 generations is 90.23%.
BigY-700 data

In 2024, a direct descendant of Rial Martin tested for BigY-700 at FamilyTreeDNA. He is in the R1a haplogroup with a subclade of R-FTA45618 with two Williams men, proving along with substantial autosomal DNA evidence, that Rial Martin is the father of James Williams and John Williams.

Not a known child of John Williams

Disputed Origins

https://www.geni.com/discussions/244334?msg=1538072

John Williams - Where is the evidence?

I am a BigY-700 YDNA descendant of John "James" Williams. As of March 2024, we have zero evidence - YDNA or paper trail - to prove who his father is. Additionally, John Williams consistently told census-takers that he was born in Virginia, most likely in what is now Scott County (likely Washington County) when he was born.

We do know that at some point we descend from a Martin man, based on YDNA and aDNA matches.

Additionally, our family clade "parent" is R-YP658, born about 750 CE in the Rotterdam area of the Netherlands. We have two BigY-700 matches in the Netherlands to men named van der Horst (R-YP658) and Raap (R-FTB69987, dating to 1150 CE).

BigY-700 testing proves that John Williams has a subclade of R-FTA46021.

John's grandson, Alexander Williams, has a BigY-confirmed subclade of R-FTA97287. Alexander Williams is my great-grandfather, and I proudly carry the same identical markers as Alexander.

We currently are testing a direct descendant of William Martin, who died in 1809 in Surry County, North Carolina, in an attempt to prove that William Martin is the grandfather of John Williams.

I am an administrator of the R-YP658 Haplogroup Project at FamilyTreeDNA, and my research group is sharing our extensive research at WikiTree.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Y-DNA_Haplogroup_R-YP658

Contact me at kennethwwilliams at gmail.com

Census Date: 1860; Home in 1860; RG: 29; Series: M653; Residence: Floyd, Kentucky; Roll: M653_367; Page: 137

• Name Age
• John Williams 60
• Eveline Williams 37
• Stephen Wright 30
• Amanda Wright 18
• Harris Williams 13
• Geo W Williams 9
• Thomas Williams 6
• Louisa J Williams 2
• Sally Lamb 9

The census shows
"Sally" (Sarah) Lamb age 9,
daughter of Josiah Lamb and Mary Bowen Living in this household and
This Sally (Sarah) Lamb marries Solomon Gross and raises her family.
Sarah is buried in Stephen Howell cemetery, Toler, Pike county KY.

her sister Elizabeth Lamb living in the Floyd county
household of George Washington Lewis and wife Frances.