John de Camoys

Not the same as Sir John de Camoys

SIR JOHN DE CAMOYS, son and heir, was, in November 1276, found heir to Mabel de Torpel, and was found to be over 30 years of age at his father's death. He had livery of his lands 17 April 1277. He was never summoned to Parliament.

He married, in or before 1276-9, Margaret, daughter and heir of Sir John DE GATESDEN, and with her got a considerable estate in Sussex. By a very remarkable document, he transferred her and her goods and chattels to Sir William Paynel, 1st Lord Paynel, and by deeds dated 1285 and 1289, demised to him the greater part of her inheritances. He died 1298, before 4 June 1298, when the writ for his Inq.,p.m. is dated. His widow Margaret, the subject of the transfer mentioned above, married Sir William PAYNEL before July 1301, and died shortly before January 1310/1. A very interesting though mutilated, brass in memory of her is at Trotton, Sussex.

[Complete Peerage II:506, XIV:138, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] 1

Children

1. Catherine de Camoys
2. Mary de Camoys+
3. Sir Ralph de Camoys 1st Baron Camoys+

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References

• https://buist-keatch.org/buist/goring/2128.html … On the death of his grandmother Mabel de Torpel in 1276-7 Lord John de Cameys was found to be her heir and on paying a relief received livery of her lands in Cambridge, held of Roger de Mowbray.
• The Battle Abbey Roll. Vol. I. by. The Duchess of Cleveland. Prepared by Michael A. Linton < link > The next in succession, Sir John was twice married, and both times to an heiress named Margaret; his first wife being the daughter of Richard Foliot, the second, of John de Gatesden. Each gave him a son; but the second Margaret, "better affecting Sir William Painell, departed from this her husband, and lived adulterously with him." Sir John accepted the position with true philosophy, and in a practical and business-like spirit. …”
• “Living and Loving in Sin: The Remarkable Relationships of Margaret de Gatesden.” By Danièle Cybulskie. (2020) < Medievalist.net >
• “ Margaret Gatesden, John Camoys and William Paynel: The fascinating story of a thirteenth-century noblewoman who left her husband and moved in with her lover, with, amazingly enough, her husband's blessing.” (04 April, 2021) < Edward ll blogspot > Margaret Gatesden (or Gatesdene or Gattisden, etc) was born sometime in the early or mid-1250s as the daughter of Sir John Gatesden, a landowner in Sussex and Surrey, and Hawise née Courtenay, widow of John Neville. Margaret had older half-brothers from her mother's first marriage, but was her father's only surviving child and heir, and inherited manors in Hertfordshire, Bedfordshire and Sussex. …
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_George%27s_Church,_Trotton The nave contains a ledger stone with a brass of Margaret de Camois (died 1310).[2] This is the oldest known brass of a woman in England.[2][15]
• 2. Chatterton-Newman, Roger (1991). Betwixt Petersfield and Midhurst. Midhurst: Middleton Press. ISBN 0-906520-94-0.
• 15. Nairn, Ian; Pevsner, Nikolaus (1965). The Buildings of England: Sussex. Harmondsworth: Penguin Books. ISBN 0-14-071028-0.
• THE PARISH CHURCH OF ST GEORGE < link >