Renauld de Courtenay, Seigneur de Courtenay

• Not the same as Renauld ‘Reynold l’ de Courtenay
• Not the husband of Maud fitzRobert, Dame du Sap

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Renauld de Courtenay

• Born: Unknown
• Died: Unknown
• Father: Milon de Courtenay
• Mother: Elizabeth de Nevers
• Wife: (uncertain) du Donjon

Children:

1. Elizabeth, his heiress, who married Pierre de France, and assumed the Courtenay name
2. Adelvia (Adelina), who married Avalon, seigneur de Saillenay

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Biography

Updated 3 November 2022

Renauld de Courtenay, Seigneur de Courtenay, was the son of Miles (Milo) de Courtenay, Seigneur (lord of the manor) of Courtenay, in the Kingdom of France, today in the Loiret department in north-central France, by his wife Ermengard de Nevers.

Renaud succeeded his father as Seigneur of Courtenay. He fought in the Second Crusade, with King Louis VII of France. He quarrelled with King Louis VII, who seized Renaud's French possessions and gave them along with Renaud's daughter Elizabeth to his youngest brother, Pierre (Peter) of France, who thenceforth became known as Peter I of Courtenay (died 1183).

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MEMORIAL ID 58303847 ·

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Renauld de Courtenay was the son of Milo de Courtenay and Ermengarde of Nevers. His mother was the granddaughter of William of Nevers, the grandson of Robert II of France and Constance of Arles, through their daughter Advisa.

He set out for Palestine, 1147, with King Louis VII, of France, but he returned before the King. When his older brothers died, he succeeded to the paternal inheritance. He was among those who vindicated Eleanor, wife of Louis VII (and later Henry II of England), who was accused of infidelity while she was with Louis VII in the Holy Land. King Louis VII seized the lands of Renaud in retaliation.

Renaud, while still in France, married Helvis, a sister of Gui du Donjon, who was one of the most famous knights of that age, who descended from the ancient Counts of Corbeil. They are the parents of Renaud de Courtenay, married to Hawise, and Elizabeth or Isabella, married Peter of France, youngest son of Louis "le Gros," King of France.

Gravesite Details

Forde Abbey was in Devon until 1842, when it passed to Dorset, and is now within the limits of Chard, Somerset. Find A Grave contributor Todd Whitesides

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Identification

The other Renaud

Peter Stewart explained in a post at SGM, 27 January 2003 < GoogleGroups > “Parents of Elisabeth de Courtenay”

… Despite the legend of a dispute between king and vassal, resulting in Renaud's dispossession and exile to England, there is no documentary evidence that he ever returned from crusade, and since his elder daughter was soon afterwards married as his heiress to the king's brother it may be safer to assume that the seigneur de Courtenay didn't survive the expedition. If he did go back to become the lord of Sutton (father of Renaud #3c above), as in the CP version of events, then this Renaud must have been a very old man when he died towards the end of 1190. On the whole this identification appears fairly weak - if the mysterious father of the English Renaud (#3c) belonged to the same family he was more probably illegitimate than otherwise, maybe a son or nephew of his French namesake (#2).

Family

From Peter Stewart, post at SGM, 27 January 2003 < GoogleGroups > “Parents of Elisabeth de Courtenay”

The following account of the first Courtenay family's last generations was given, largely from earlier secondary sources, in _Histoire généalogique et chronologique de la Maison royale de France..._ by Père Anselme (Pierre de Guibours) & others, third edition, 9 vols (Paris, 1726-33), vol I pp 474 and 527-8:

• 1 Miles, seigneur de Courtenay, died after 1127 [NB actually in or after 1138 when he last occurs], married ca 1095 Ermengarde de Nevers
  • 2 (their third son) Renaud, seigneur de Courtenay, allegedly married an unnamed sister of Guy du Donjon [who is stated wrongly to have been living in 1148], also described as daughter of Frederic, seigneur du Donjon
    • 3a Elisabeth, died 14 September in or after 1205, married Pierre de France (ancestors of the second French Courtenay line)
    • 3b Unnamed daughter, died sp, married Avalon, seigneur de Saillenay
    • CP vol IV p 317 (table) states that Renaud (#2) lost his lands in France & held Sutton, Berkshire in 1161. He is given a second marriage, to Maud, dame du Sap, said to be childless. This version omits #3b above and adds instead:
    • 3c Renaud de Courtenay, died 27 September 1194, married Hawise de Curcy, lady of Okehampton (ancestors of the English Courtenays) [Disputed origins]

With minor variations this has become the standard genealogy in English
works since.

Disputed children

These children detached from Renauld de Courtenay, Seigneur de Courtenay and added to Renauld ‘Reynold l’ de Courtenay:

• Renaud ‘Reynold ll’ de Courtenay
• Robert de Courtenay, lord of Sutton
• William de Courtenay

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Disputed wife or wives

• Maud fitzRobert, Dame du Sap detached as wife and moved to Renauld ‘Reynold l’ de Courtenay
• (1) Helene (Hawise) du Donjon, daughter of Frederick du Donjon and Corbeil, sister of Guy du Donjon [alternate / additional wife identifications have been proposed]

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From SGM post, Douglas Richardson, 8 November 2019 < GoogleGroups >

Starting at the beginning, Du Bouchet, Histoire généalogique de la Maison royale de Courtenay (1661): 11–12 states that "Renard" de Courtenay [living c.1149] married the sister of Guy du Donion, one of the celebrated knights of his time. On pages 377–378, he further identifies Elizabeth de Courtenay, wife of Pierre de France, as the daughter of Renaud, seigneur of Courtenay, by N... du Donjon, daughter of Ferry du Donjon, Seigneur of Yerre [Yerres].

The correct account is that Renaud de Courtenay (living c.1149) had a wife of unknown name and parentage, by whom he had two daughters, the younger being Elizabeth (or Isabelle), wife of Pierre of France.

Following Renaud's death, his widow married (2nd) Ferri de Donjon (living 1174), by which marriage she had Baudouin du Donjon, [Saint] Guillaume du Donjon [Archbishop of Bourges], Gui du Donjon, and Pierre du Donjon. …

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Additionally seen:

Renaud de Courtenay 1, son of Miles de Courtenay and his wife Ermengarde de Nevers, is the fifth lord of Courtenay.

Renaud and his older brother William accompanied King Louis VII to Palestine to participate in the Second Crusade . His brother died during the trip, he returned to France and then has appropriate lordships of Courtenay, Châteaurenard, Champignelles, Bléneau, Tanlay and Charny .

He married Eustachia de Corbeil (sometimes called Elisabeth de Corbeil, or Hélène du Donjon), daughter of Baudoin de Corbeil 3 , of whom he had:

Elizabeth , married to Pierre de France , son of King Louis VI . From this marriage comes the Capetian house of Courtenay , Another daughter, married to the lord of Seignelay 5 .

http://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?lang=fr&pz=henri&nz=frebault&ocz=0&...

Marié avec Moenée d'Arthel (Parents : H Hugues III d'Arthel, vicomte de Clamecy ?

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Disputed information

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaud_de_Courtenay (has disputed information)

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Spouse: (1) Maud FitzRobert FitzRoy (NOT her half-sister Hawise d'Avranches, as often reported--Hawise married Rainaud/Reginald II. Cawley's Medieval Lands database is incorrect regarding this family). Maud died in 1124 childless. (2) Helvis de Donjon who was mother to his children:

Issue: Guillaume, Renaud/Reginald II Elizabeth, Robert

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CHAMPAGNE%20NOBILITY.htm

RENAUD de Courtenay (-27 Sep [1189/94]). A charter dated to [1120/39] records donations for the foundation of the abbey of Notre-Dame des Echarlis, including a donation in the presence of "Milo de Curtiniaco et uxor eius Elisabeth et filii eorum Willelmus, Joscelinus, Rainaldus". Sire de Courtenay. Burke´s Peerage records that Louis VII King of France quarrelled with Renaud while on the Second Crusade, confiscated his French possessions, and bestowed them on his younger brother Pierre whom he married to Renaud´s daughter Elisabeth. The same source records that Henry II King of England granted him the lordship of Sutton, Berkshire in 1161. "…Raginaldo de Cortenaio" subscribed the charter dated to [1169] under which Henry II King of England confirmed the donation of revenue from "manerio de Contona" [Compton] to Fontevraud by "Willelmus de Sancto Johanne et Robertus frater suus". The Fundationis et Fundatorum Historia of Ford Abbey records the death “V Kal Oct 1194” of “Reginaldus de Courtenay”. m firstly HELVIS de Donjon, daughter of FREDERIC de Donjon & his wife ---. Her parentage and marriage are shown in Europäische Stammtafeln, but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified. m secondly HAWISE d´Avranches, daughter of ROBERT d´Avranches & his wife Mathilde Avenill (-1 Aug 1209). The Fundationis et Fundatorum Historia of Ford Abbey records that “domina Alicia uxor domini Randolphi Avenell filia sua…unicam filiam…Matildam” had “filiam unam…Hawisiam, necnon duas alias, postea factas moniales” by her husband “Roberto de Abrincis” and that she married “Reginaldo de Courtenay” as his second wife. According to Burke´s Peerage, the second wife of Renaud de Courtenay was "Maud Dame du Sap, daughter of Robert FitzRoy by his w Maud d´Avranches". However, this appears to confuse her with the wife of Guillaume de Courtenay, eldest son of Renaud by his first marriage, assuming that the primary sources correctly record the relationships which are shown here. Renaud & his first wife had three children, Guillaume, Renaud, and Elizabeth. Renaud & his second wife had one child, Robert. ______________________________________________________

The family of Renaud de COURTENAY and .. du DONJON [129216] COURTENAY (de), Renaud (..)

• married about 1125, from .. (France) DONJON (du), .. (..) 1) Élisabeth, married about 1152 Pierre I de FRANCE

Bibliographie : Histoire de la maison royale de France (Père Anselme)

http://www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/129/129216.php

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He fought in the Second Crusade with King Louis VII of France.

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Royal Titles: Seigneur of Courtenay, Seigneur De Montargtis, Baron of Sutton

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RENAUD de Courtenay (-27 Sep [1189/94]). A charter dated to [1120/39] records donations for the foundation of the abbey of Notre-Dame des Echarlis, including a donation in the presence of "Milo de Curtiniaco et uxor eius Elisabeth et filii eorum Willelmus, Joscelinus, Rainaldus". Sire de Courtenay. Burke´s Peerage records that Louis VII King of France quarrelled with Renaud while on the Second Crusade, confiscated his French possessions, and bestowed them on his younger brother Pierre whom he married to Renaud´s daughter Elisabeth. The same source records that Henry II King of England granted him the lordship of Sutton, Berkshire in 1161. "…Raginaldo de Cortenaio" subscribed the charter dated to [1169] under which Henry II King of England confirmed the donation of revenue from "manerio de Contona" [Compton] to Fontevraud by "Willelmus de Sancto Johanne et Robertus frater suus". The Fundationis et Fundatorum Historia of Ford Abbey records the death “V Kal Oct 1194” of “Reginaldus de Courtenay”. m firstly HELVIS de Donjon, daughter of FREDERIC de Donjon & his wife ---. Her parentage and marriage are shown in Europäische Stammtafeln, but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified. m secondly HAWISE d´Avranches, daughter of ROBERT d´Avranches & his wife Mathilde Avenill (-1 Aug 1209). The Fundationis et Fundatorum Historia of Ford Abbey records that “domina Alicia uxor domini Randolphi Avenell filia sua…unicam filiam…Matildam” had “filiam unam…Hawisiam, necnon duas alias, postea factas moniales” by her husband “Roberto de Abrincis” and that she married “Reginaldo de Courtenay” as his second wife. According to Burke´s Peerage, the second wife of Renaud de Courtenay was "Maud Dame du Sap, daughter of Robert FitzRoy by his w Maud d´Avranches". However, this appears to confuse her with the wife of Guillaume de Courtenay, eldest son of Renaud by his first marriage, assuming that the primary sources correctly record the relationships which are shown here. Renaud & his first wife had three children, Guillaume, Renaud, and Elizabeth. Renaud & his second wife had one child, Robert.

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Elisabeth of Courtenay Elisabeth of Courtenay Biography Birth 1127 View and edit data on Wikidata Death 1205 View and edit data on Wikidata Father Renaud de Courtenay View and edit data on Wikidata Spouse Peter I of Courtenay View and edit data on Wikidata Children Peter II of Courtenay Alice of Courtenay View and edit data on Wikidata Edit - edit code - edit Wikidata Model documentation Élisabeth de Courtenay (c. 1127-1205) is the daughter and heiress of Renaud de Courtenay and his wife Élisabeth, sometimes called Hélène (or Eustachie, daughter of Baudoin de Corbeil 1 ) of the Dungeon, Corbeil 2 . The Capetian house of Courtenay is the result of his marriage to Pierre de France. Summary 1 Marriage and Descendancy 2 Ancestry 3 Notes and references 4 Related article Marriage and Descent [ edit | Change the code ] In 1150 3 , she married one of the sons of the King of France Louis VI , Pierre de France (around 1126-1183) 3 , who by this marriage became Lord of Courtenay, and from which came: Peter II of Courtenay 4 (c. 1155-1219), Latin emperor of Constantinople in 1216, A daughter 4 , married to Eudes de La Marche, Alix de Courtenay 4 , married to Guillaume de Joigny (marriage canceled) and then to Aymeric Taillefer, count of Angoulême . From her second union she has a daughter, Isabella of Angouleme , Queen of England by her marriage to King John the Landless, Robert de Courtenay 4 (c. 1168-1239), Lord of Conches and Champignelles-en-Puisaye, Eustachie Courtenay , successively married to Guillaume de Brienne , lord of Pacy-sur-Armançon , then in 1199 to William I of Champlitte , the future Prince of Achaia , and then to Count William I of Sancerre , Leniency Courtenay , married to Gui VI Auvergne, vicomte Thiers Philippe de Courtenay 4 Isabelle de Courtenay, wife of Aymond III de Charost, Constance Courtenay , married to Gasce Poissy, then to William of Breteuil , Guillaume de Courtenay 4 (about 1172 - died between 1233 and 1248), lord of Tanlay, https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&p...

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Biography

Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999, Page: 833.

https://hammroots.com/getperson.php?personID=I24679&tree=Main

Renaud de Courtenay, Lord of Courtenay; accompanied Louis VII of France on the Second Crusade but quarreled with him so that Louis seized his French possessions and bestowed them, with Renaud's daughter (Elizabeth) in marriage, on his (Louis') own younger brother Pierre; Renaud subsequently threw in his lot with the English kings and was granted the Lordship of Sutton (now Sutton Courtenay), on the Berks-Oxon borders by Henry II 1161; accompanied Henry II to Wexford in the Irish expedition of 1172; married 1st Hedwige (living 1148-58), sister of Guy du Donjon; married 2nd Maud, Dame du Sap (dsp 1224), daughter of Robert Fitz Roy (illegitimate son of Henry I of England) by his wife Maud d'Avranches

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https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamsensjoi.htm#_Toc77580860

• Joscelin [I] & his second wife had four children:
  • 3. MILON de Courtenay (-after 1138, bur Fontaine-Jean). … m [secondly] (before [1110/16]%29 ELISABETH de Nevers, daughter of RENAUD [II] Comte de Nevers et d'Auxerre & his first wife [Ita Raymonde] de Forez et de Lyon (before 1085-after [1120/39]). Milon & his [second] wife had three children:
    • c) RENAUD de Courtenay ([1105/20]-[27 Sep 1194]). The Continuator of Aimon of Fleury names “Willermum, Ioscelinum et Rainaldum” as the children of “Milonem de Cortinaco” and his wife “sorore comitis Nivernensis”[124]. Seigneur de Courtenay. [144] … m firstly ([1135/40]%29 [HELVISE], daughter of [FERRY de Donjon & his [first] wife ---] ([1120/25]-[after 1155?]). … m secondly ([1150/55]) HAWISE d’Avranches, daughter of ROBERT d’Avranches & his wife Mathilde Avenill ([after 1132]-1 Aug 1209). … Renaud & his first wife had four children:
      • 1. ELISABETH de Courtenay ([1140/45]-14 Sep after 1205). … m (before 24 Nov 1160) PIERRE de France, son of LOUIS VI King of France & his wife Adélaïde de Maurienne ([1126]-Palestine 10 Mar [1180/10 Apr 1183]). He succeeded as Seigneur de Courtenay, de Montargis, de Châteaurenard, de Champignelles, de Tanlay, de Charny et de Charenton, by right of his wife. - SEIGNEURS de COURTENAY (CAPET).
      • 2. ADELINE de Courtenay ([1142/48?]-after 1190). m AVALON [III] Seigneur de Seignelay, son of DAIMBERT [I] Seigneur de Seignelay & his wife Alpazia --- ([1140/45?]-[1200]).
      • 3. GUILLAUME de Courtenay ([1140/45]-after [1167/68], maybe before 1170) m MATILDA, daughter of ROBERT FitzEdith [illegitimate son of Henry I King of England] & his [second] wife Mathilde d’Avranches (-1224).
      • 4. [RENAUD] de Courtenay (-[1194]). … m (1178 or before) HAWISE Lady of Okehampton, daughter of [GEOFFROY de Crimes/GUILLAUME de Curcy] & his wife Mathilde d'Avranches (-31 Jul 1219).

Note: the parentage of Gullaume and the Renaud who died 1194 is debated, and as of 2022, shown on Geni as sons of Renauld ‘Reynold l’ de Courtenay.

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References

• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Courtenay-57 cites

1. Contrast Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 221, and the other Renaud, in Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 314-315.
2. Peter Stewart, 28 Jan 2003 SGM post.
3. Tableaux Genealogiques des Souverains, France 22, Tab. 35
4. The Complete Peerage, G.E.C., Eng. V, v. 3, p. 465, v. 4, p. 317
5. Collins Peerage, Eng. Z-1, v. 6, p. 232-36
6. Edmondson's Baronagum Genealogicum, Eng. AM, v. 4, p. 340
7. Visitations of Devon, Devon 2, p. 243
8. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Eng. 116, p. 59
9. https://cybergata.com/roots/1972.htm Cites
   1. Collin's Peerage of England, Vol. VI, pp. 231-232
   2. Cokayne's Complete Peerage, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, (Courtenay), p. 465, footnote (c)
10. https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamsensjoi.htm#_Toc77580860