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About Rhodri Molwynog ap Idwal Ywrch, King of Gwynedd
See Peter Bartrum, https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000173392791951 (February 4. 2023; Anne Brannen, curator)
The many histories and genealogies that provide the information that Rhodri was married to an Irish princess named Margaret verch Duptory are repeating information derived from one of the Welsh MSS. This information is highly problematic; the name "Margaret" didn't exist either in Ireland or Wales at that time; there is no record of an Irish king at this time named either Duptory (which is not, of course, an Irish name) or any variation thereof; scholars were questioning this information by at least 1898; the major genealogies do not give a name for Rhodri's wife. For more information, please see the discussion at https://www.geni.com/discussions/160977?msg=1110159&page=1
If anyone does come across the actual Welsh MS with the record of the name, please contact the curator of the profile.
(October 3, 2016; Anne Brannen, curator)
Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Royal Family of Powys - Nest ferch Cadell ap Brochwel; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id12.html. (Steven Ferry, October 13, 2019.)
Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Royal Family of Gwynedd - Ancestry of Cynan Dindaethwy; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id16.html. (Steven Ferry, November 29, 2019.)
Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Royal Family of Gwynedd - Governance of Gwynedd, 754-825; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id17.html. (Steven Ferry, December 1, 2019.)
Please see Darrell Wolcott: Harleian Ms 3859; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id129.html. (Steven Ferry, March 8, 2021.)
Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Family of Emyr Llydaw; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id305.html (Steven Ferry, October 7, 2022.)
Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Interim Kings of Gwynedd's 1st Dynasty; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id306.html (Steven Ferry, October 19, 2022.)
Please see Darrell Wolcott: Cynan Dindaethwy - Furter Notes; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id307.html (Steven Ferry, October 21, 2022.)
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Rhodri Molwynog, King of Gwynedd (c.690-754)
From http://www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/bios/rhodrmgd.html
(Latin: Rodericus; English: Roderick)
Rhodri the Bald & Grey was the son of King Idwal Iwch of Gwynedd and his wife, Princess Angharad of Brittany. There is an old story that Rhodri invaded or conquered Dumnonia - possibly during his youth - but he was forced to return to North Wales by the Saxons. The year of his accession in Gwynedd is variously given as AD 712, 720, 722 or 730. The earliest date seems most likely. He married an Irish princess, Margaret ferch Duplory and had one son, Cynan Dindaethwy. He died in AD 754, when the throne was seized by Caradog ap Meirion.
ID: I104149 Name: RHODRI MOLWYNOG AP IDWAL Prefix: KING OF GWYNEDD Sex: M Birth: 690 CE in , , Wales Death: 754 CE 1 Event: KING OF GWYNEDD Reign Between 712 and 754 CE Change Date: 9 Nov 2008 at 13:02 Note: Alias: the Bald and Grey/
Father: IDWAL LWRCH AP CADWALADR b: 664 CE in , , Wales
Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown Married: Change Date: 13 Jan 2009 Children
Cynan Dindaethwy Ap Rhodri b: 745 CE
Hywel Ap Rhodri b: Abt 745 CE
Sources: Abbrev: Sutton Folk Family Tree 3175463.ged Title: Sutton Folk Family Tree Sutton Folk Family Tree 3175463.ged Author: Folk, Linda Sutton Publication: www.worldconnect.rootsweb.com
Rhodri ap Idwal (c. 690-c. 754; reigned from c. 720) (Latin: Rodericus; English: Roderick), also known as Rhodri Molwynog ('the Bald and Gray'), and by some contemporary historians as Rhodri I, was a king of Gwynedd, referred to as a king of the Britons by the Annals of Wales.
The son of Idwal Iwrch and his wife, Princess Angharad of Brittany, comparatively little is known of Rhodri's life or accomplishments. There is even some debate as to when he actually assumed the throne of Gwynedd, with the years 712, 720, 722 or 730 being the most probable candidates. Legend suggests that Rhodri successfully invaded and occupied Dumnonia for a time, before being expelled by the Saxons. This story may indeed be apocryphal, and others have suggested that Rhodri instead focused on strengthening the island of Anglesey, which, by this time, had become the stronghold of the kingdom. This argument is based on the understanding that Æthelbald, king of Mercia and self-styled Bretwalda, was continuing to press the kingdoms of Wales, and that Rhodri would have been far more likely to have been forced to adopt a defensive, rather than offensive, policy in dealing with incursions from Mercia and other Anglo-Saxon principalities.
Rhodri married Margaret ferch Duplory, an Irish princess, who bore him a son by the name of Cynan Dindaethwy. Because of the limited reliable information surrounding this period in Welsh history, it is not entirely clear who succeeded Rhodri upon his death, although the most likely candidate seems to be Caradog ap Meirion, a distant cousin, and not his son, who would ascend to the throne only after the death of Caradog.
Rhodri Molwynog ap Idwal From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rhodri ab Idwal (c. 690-c. 754; reigned from c. 720) (Latin: Rodericus; English: Roderick), also known as Rhodri Molwynog ('the Bald and Gray'), and by some contemporary historians as Rhodri I, was a king of Gwynedd, also called King of the Britons by the Annals of Wales.
The son of Idwal Iwrch and his wife, Princess Angharad of Brittany, comparatively little is known of Rhodri's life or accomplishments. There is even some debate as to when he actually assumed the throne of Gwynedd, with the years 712, 720, 722 or 730 being the most probable candidates. Legend suggests that Rhodri successfully invaded and occupied Dumnonia for a time, before being expelled by the Saxons. This story may indeed be apocryphal, and others have suggested that Rhodri instead focused on strengthening the island of Anglesey, which, by this time, had become the stronghold of the kingdom. This argument is based on the understanding that Æthelbald, king of Mercia and self-styled Bretwalda, was continuing to press the kingdoms of Wales, and that Rhodri would have been far more likely to have been forced to adopt a defensive, rather than offensive, policy in dealing with incursions from Mercia and other Anglo-Saxon principalities.
Rhodri married Margaret ferch Duplory, an Irish princess, who bore him a son by the name of Cynan Dindaethwy. Because of the limited reliable information surrounding this period in Welsh history, it is not entirely clear who succeeded Rhodri upon his death, although the most likely candidate seems to be Caradog ap Meirion, a distant cousin, and not his son, who would ascend to the throne only after the death of Caradog.
Rhodri ap Idwal (c. 690-c. 754; reigned from c. 720) (Latin: Rodericus; English: Roderick), also known as Rhodri Molwynog ('the Bald and Gray'), and by some contemporary historians as Rhodri I, was a king of Gwynedd, also called King of the Britons by the Annals of Wales.
The son of Idwal Iwrch and his wife, Princess Angharad of Brittany, comparatively little is known of Rhodri's life or accomplishments. There is even some debate as to when he actually assumed the throne of Gwynedd, with the years 712, 720, 722 or 730 being the most probable candidates. Legend suggests that Rhodri successfully invaded and occupied Dumnonia for a time, before being expelled by the Saxons. This story may indeed be apocryphal, and others have suggested that Rhodri instead focused on strengthening the island of Anglesey, which, by this time, had become the stronghold of the kingdom. This argument is based on the understanding that Æthelbald, king of Mercia and self-styled Bretwalda, was continuing to press the kingdoms of Wales, and that Rhodri would have been far more likely to have been forced to adopt a defensive, rather than offensive, policy in dealing with incursions from Mercia and other Anglo-Saxon principalities.
Rhodri married Margaret ferch Duplory, an Irish princess, who bore him a son by the name of Cynan Dindaethwy. Because of the limited reliable information surrounding this period in Welsh history, it is not entirely clear who succeeded Rhodri upon his death, although the most likely candidate seems to be Caradog ap Meirion, a distant cousin, and not his son, who would ascend to the throne only after the death of Caradog.
Rhodri ap Idwal (c. 690-c. 754; reigned from c. 720) (Latin: Rodericus; English: Roderick), also known as Rhodri Molwynog ('the Bald and Gray'), and by some contemporary historians as Rhodri I, was a king of Gwynedd, referred to as a king of the Britons by the Annals of Wales.
The son of Idwal Iwrch and his wife, Princess Angharad of Brittany, comparatively little is known of Rhodri's life or accomplishments. There is even some debate as to when he actually assumed the throne of Gwynedd, with the years 712, 720, 722 or 730 being the most probable candidates. Legend suggests that Rhodri successfully invaded and occupied Dumnonia for a time, before being expelled by the Saxons. This story may indeed be apocryphal, and others have suggested that Rhodri instead focused on strengthening the island of Anglesey, which, by this time, had become the stronghold of the kingdom. This argument is based on the understanding that Æthelbald, king of Mercia and self-styled Bretwalda, was continuing to press the kingdoms of Wales, and that Rhodri would have been far more likely to have been forced to adopt a defensive, rather than offensive, policy in dealing with incursions from Mercia and other Anglo-Saxon principalities.
Rhodri married Margaret ferch Duplory, an Irish princess, who bore him a son by the name of Cynan Dindaethwy. Because of the limited reliable information surrounding this period in Welsh history, it is not entirely clear who succeeded Rhodri upon his death, although the most likely candidate seems to be Caradog ap Meirion, a distant cousin, and not his son, who would ascend to the throne only after the death of Caradog.
Rhodri ap Idwal (c. 690-c. 754; reigned from c. 720) (Latin: Rodericus; English: Roderick), also known as Rhodri Molwynog ('the Bald and Gray'), and by some contemporary historians as Rhodri I, was a king of Gwynedd, referred to as a king of the Britons by the Annals of Wales.
The son of Idwal Iwrch and his wife, Princess Angharad of Brittany, comparatively little is known of Rhodri's life or accomplishments. There is even some debate as to when he actually assumed the throne of Gwynedd, with the years 712, 720, 722 or 730 being the most probable candidates. Legend suggests that Rhodri successfully invaded and occupied Dumnonia for a time, before being expelled by the Saxons. This story may indeed be apocryphal, and others have suggested that Rhodri instead focused on strengthening the island of Anglesey, which, by this time, had become the stronghold of the kingdom. This argument is based on the understanding that Æthelbald, king of Mercia and self-styled Bretwalda, was continuing to press the kingdoms of Wales, and that Rhodri would have been far more likely to have been forced to adopt a defensive, rather than offensive, policy in dealing with incursions from Mercia and other Anglo-Saxon principalities.
Rhodri married Margaret ferch Duplory, an Irish princess, who bore him a son by the name of Cynan Dindaethwy. Because of the limited reliable information surrounding this period in Welsh history, it is not entirely clear who succeeded Rhodri upon his death, although the most likely candidate seems to be Caradog ap Meirion, a distant cousin, and not his son, who would ascend to the throne only after the death of Caradog.
Source:
The book, 'Kings & Queens of Great Britain'
Rhodri ap Idwal (Latin: Rodericus; English: Roderick), also known as Rhodri Molwynog ('the Bald and Gray'), and by some contemporary historians as Rhodri I, was a king of Gwynedd, also called King of the Britons by the Annals of Wales.
Comparatively little is known of Rhodri's life or accomplishments. There is even some debate as to when he actually assumed the throne of Gwynedd, with the years 712, 720, 722 or 730 being the most probable candidates. Legend suggests that Rhodri successfully invaded and occupied Dumnonia for a time, before being expelled by the Saxons. This story may indeed be apocryphal, and others have suggested that Rhodri instead focused on strengthening the island of Anglesey, which, by this time, had become the stronghold of the kingdom. This argument is based on the understanding that Æthelbald, King of Mercia and self-styled Bretwalda, was continuing to press the kingdoms of Wales, and that Rhodri would have been far more likely to have been forced to adopt a defensive, rather than offensive, policy in dealing with incursions from Mercia and other Anglo-Saxon principalities.
Rhodri married Margaret ferch Duplory, an Irish princess, who bore him a son by the name of Cynan Dindaethwy.
Because of the limited reliable information surrounding this period in Welsh history, it is not entirely clear who succeeded Rhodri upon his death, although the most likely candidate seems to be Caradog ap Meirion, a distant cousin, and not his son, who would ascend to the throne only after the death of Caradog.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodri_Molwynog_ap_Idwal for more information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodri_Molwynog_ap_Idwal
Rhodri Molwynog ap Idwal
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rhodri ap Idwal (c. 690-c. 754; reigned from c. 720) (Latin: Rodericus; English: Roderick), also known as Rhodri Molwynog ('the Bald and Gray'), and by some contemporary historians as Rhodri I, was a king of Gwynedd, referred to as a king of the Britons by the Annals of Wales.
The son of Idwal Iwrch and his wife, Princess Angharad of Brittany, comparatively little is known of Rhodri's life or accomplishments. There is even some debate as to when he actually assumed the throne of Gwynedd, with the years 712, 720, 722 or 730 being the most probable candidates. Legend suggests that Rhodri successfully invaded and occupied Dumnonia for a time, before being expelled by the Saxons. This story may indeed be apocryphal, and others have suggested that Rhodri instead focused on strengthening the island of Anglesey, which, by this time, had become the stronghold of the kingdom. This argument is based on the understanding that Æthelbald, king of Mercia and self-styled Bretwalda, was continuing to press the kingdoms of Wales, and that Rhodri would have been far more likely to have been forced to adopt a defensive, rather than offensive, policy in dealing with incursions from Mercia and other Anglo-Saxon principalities.
Rhodri married Margaret ferch Duplory, an Irish princess, who bore him a son by the name of Cynan Dindaethwy. Because of the limited reliable information surrounding this period in Welsh history, it is not entirely clear who succeeded Rhodri upon his death, although the most likely candidate seems to be Caradog ap Meirion, a distant cousin, and not his son, who would ascend to the throne only after the death of Caradog.
Rhodri Molwynog ab Idwal, Brenin Gwynedd1,2,3
b. circa 690, d. circa 754
Father Idwal Iwrch ap Cadwaladr, Brenin Gwynedd4,2 b. circa 660, d. 712
Mother Afadda verch Alain de Bretagne1,2 b. circa 660
Rhodri Molwynog ab Idwal, Brenin Gwynedd also went by the name of Rhodri "the Bald and Gray". He was born circa 690.1 He was the son of Idwal Iwrch ap Cadwaladr, Brenin Gwynedd and Afadda verch Alain de Bretagne.4,2,1 Rhodri Molwynog ab Idwal, Brenin Gwynedd was the successor of Idwal Iwrch ap Cadwaladr, Brenin Gwynedd; King of Gwynedd.5 King of Gwynedd at Wales between 712 and 754. Rhodri Molwynog ab Idwal, Brenin Gwynedd married Margaret of Ireland before 720.1 Rhodri Molwynog ab Idwal, Brenin Gwynedd died circa 754.1,6,2,7,8 Chronicle of Ystrad Fflur 754: "In this year Rhodri, king of the Britons, died."9
Family
Margaret of Ireland b. circa 690
Children
Cynan Dindaethwy ap Rhodri Molwynog, Brenin Gwynedd+ b. c 720?, d. 8164,10,7
Brenin Gwynedd Hywel I ap Rhodri o Gwynedd b. c 725, d. c 825
Citations
[S266] EBK, online http://freespace.virgin.net/david.ford2/…
[S278] DfAdam, online unknown url, The Line of Cunedda Wledig, 84.
[S492] Genealogies from Harleian MS. 3859, manuscript, probably between 954 and 988 unknown repository, 1: "Rotri map Iutguaul".
[S272] Francis Jones, Jones, F., pg. 12, Chart I, Dynasty of Cunedda (Line of Gwynedd).
[S640] History Files, online http://homepages.tesco.net/~plk33/plk33/history.htm, CELTS OF CYMRU, GWYNEDD.
[S272] Francis Jones, Jones, F., pg 12..
[S483] Stewart Baldwin, Llywelyn ap Iorwerth's ancestors in "Baldwin-Llywelyn," listserve message Dec 1998.
[S485] Various, Annales Cambriae.
[S1383] The Chronicle of Ystrad Fflur, online www.webexcel.ndirect.co.uk/gwarnant/hanes/chronicle/chronicleintro.htm, 754.
[S278] DfAdam, online unknown url, The Line of Cunedda Wledig, 85.
Rhodri (Molwynog) ap Idwal
Rhodri, known as Molwynog, was born in 0690 in Wales.1 Molwynog's father was Idwal (Iwrch) ap Cadwaladr and his mother was Afadda verch Alain. His paternal grandparents were Cadwaladr (The Blessed, Fendigaid) ap Cadwallon and <Unknown>; his maternal grandparents were King of Brittany Alain II Hir and <Unknown>. He was an only child. He died at the age of 64 in 0754.1
Children
Cynan (Dindaethwy) ap Rhodri
Cynan, known as Dindaethwy, was born about 0745 in Wales.2 He died in 0817.3
Rhodri Molwynog ap Idwal (English: Rhodri the Bald and Grey, son of Idwal) was King of Gwynedd (reigned ? – 754). This era in the history of Gwynedd was not notable, and given the lack of reliable information available, serious histories of Wales, such that as by Davies, do not mention Rhodri, while that of Lloyd mentions his name in passing only to quote the year of his death given in the Annales Cambriae.
Rhodri Molwynog ("Rhodri the Bald and Grey"; died c. 754), also known as Rhodri ab Idwal ("Rhodri son of Idwal") was an 8th-century king of Gwynedd. He was listed as a King of the Britons by the Annals of Wales. This era in the history of Gwynedd is very obscure and, given the lack of reliable information available, several serious histories of medieval Wales—including John Davies's[1]—do not mention Rhodri at all, while others—including John Lloyd's[2]—mention him only in passing, quoting the undated entry of the Annals of Wales recording his death.[3] Phillimore's reconstruction places the entry in the year 754.[3] The Annals do not mention the death of an earlier king within a reasonable time frame, so the date that he became king is not known, nor is the name of his predecessor. Rhodri's name also appears in genealogies such as those in Jesus College MS. 20 (where he is described as the son of Idwal Iwrch son of Cadwaladr Fendigiad[4]%29 and the Harleian genealogies (where he is described as the son of Tutgual son of Cadwaladr[5]). It remains, however, unclear to what extent the genealogies at that point were recording the lineage of the Cuneddion dynasty regardless of their rule or recording the rulers regardless of their connection to the main branch of the dynasty. The Annals of Wales mention a war in Cornwalll around 722 without giving the names of the individuals involved.[6] The Brut y Saeson says that in 721 there was "an extensive war between Rhodri Molwynawg and the Saxons in Cornwall".[7] The Brut Aberpergwm also recorded this event but, while it was accepted for a time by the editors of the Myvyrian Archaiology, Thomas Stephens has since shown that it was one of Iolo Morganwg's many forgeries.[8] The Rotri appearing in the Annals has sometimes been misidentified as a ruler of Alt Clut (modern Dumbarton Rock), the Brythonic kingdom later known as Strathclyde.
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