ROBERT de Lacy

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ROBERT de Lacy, son of ILBERT de Lacy & his wife Hawise --- (-after 23 Nov 1102, bur Pontefract Priory). A manuscript history of the Lacy family names “Robertum Lacy” as son of “Ilberto de Lacy” and his wife “Hauisia”, adding that he founded “monasterium apud Pontefractum”, died during the reign of King William II, and was buried at Pontefract[63]. The Liber Vitæ of Durham names "Ilbertus de Laceio, Hathewis sua uxor, Rodbertus et Hugo filii eorum"[64]. “Rodbertus de Laceio” confirmed the donation by “pater meus Hilbertus” to Selby Abbey, for the soul of “fratris mei Hugonis”, by undated charter[65]. “Robertus de Laceio” founded Pontefract Priory, for the soul of “Hylberti patris mei et Hawisiæ matris meæ”, by undated charter, dateable to the reign of King William II, witnessed by “W. Peverel…”[66]. Florence of Worcester records that "Beornardus de Novo Mercatu, Rogerius de Laceio…Rawlfus de Mortuo Mari…cum hominibus comitis Rogeri de Scrobbesbyria" threatened Worcester with an army of Normans and Welsh, dated to [1088][67]. A writ addressed to Robert Bishop of Lincoln and Osbert Sheriff of Lincolnshire, dated to [1095/1100], sanctioned an exchange of lands between "Ur de Abet" and "Rotb de Laceio de Ingoluesmaera", witnessed by "R. fil Haim"[68]. "Robertus de Lacy" granted "Magnam Merlay…et Tuisleton…et…in Cliderhou" to "Radulpho le Rus" by charter dated 23 Nov 1102[69].

m MATILDA, daughter of --- (-bur [Pontefract Priory]). “Henricus de Lasci” donated property to Pontefract Priory, for the souls of “patris mei Roberti de Lasci et Matilildis matris meæ”, by undated charter[70]. A manuscript history of the Lacy family records that Ilbert de Lacy was buried “ad sinistrum cornu altaris sancti Benedicti” next to his mother[71].

Robert & his wife had four children:

1. ILBERT de Lacy (-1141, bur [Pontefract Priory]). A manuscript history of the Lacy family names “Hilbertum et Henricum” as the two sons of “Robertum Lacy” and his wife “Matilda”, adding that he died childless and was buried “ad sinistrum cornu altaris sancti Benedicti” next to his mother[72]. "Ilbertus de Lacy" confirmed the grant of "magna Merlay, Twisleton…et…in Poterton et…in Cliderh…" made by "pater meus" [see above for his father’s grant] to "Radulfo le Rus", with the consent and advice of "Roberti fratris mei", by charter dated to [1135/41][73]. "Ilbertus de Lacy" confirmed the grant of "magnam Mitton, Haghton, magnam Merlay, Twisleton…in Potreton et…in Cliderhou" to "Radulfo le Rouse" and granted further property to "eidem Radulfo fratri meo" by charter dated to [1135/41][74]. m as her first husband, ALICE de Gand, daughter of WALTER de Gand & his wife Mathilde de Penthièvre. “Aliz de Gant” donated property to Pontefract Priory, for the souls of “prioris domini mei Ilberti de Lascy” and with the consent of “Henricus de Lascy”, by undated charter[75]. She married secondly Roger de Mowbray. Her second marriage is confirmed by the undated charter under which “Rogerus de Molbrai” confirmed the donation of property to Pontefract Priory by “uxor mea…pro anima prioris domini sui Ilberti de Lasci”, witnessed by “Willielmus Peverel…Turgis de Molbray…”[76].

2. ROBERT de Lacy (-after [1135/41]). "Ilbertus de Lacy" confirmed the grant of "magna Merlay, Twisleton…et…in Poterton et…in Cliderh…" made by "pater meus" [see above for his father’s grant] to "Radulfo le Rus", with the consent and advice of "Roberti fratris mei", by charter dated to [1135/41][77].

3. HENRY de Lacy (-Holy Land 25 Sep 1177). A manuscript history of the Lacy family names “Hilbertum et Henricum” as the two sons of “Robertum Lacy” and his wife “Matilda”[78]. “Henricus de Lasci” donated property to Pontefract Priory, for the souls of “patris mei Roberti de Lasci et Matilildis matris meæ”, by undated charter[79]. “Henricum de Laceio” founded Kirkstall Abbey, for the souls of “Ilberti avi mei et Hawis uxoris suæ…et Matildis amitæ”, by undated charter[80]. The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Henricus de Lascy xliv l xv s, de novo xxxl xvi d" in Yorkshire in [1171/72][81]. A manuscript history of the Lacy family records that the death “in terra sancta VII Kal Oct” of Henry de Lacy, adding that his burial place is unknown[82]. m [as her second husband,] AUBREYE, daughter of [EUSTACE] [de Vescy] & his wife ---. A manuscript history of the Lacy family records that “Henricus Lacy” married “sororem Willielmi Vesci rectoris de Berwic”[83]. Her parentage is indicated by the charter dated to [1180/93] under which “Robertus de Lasci” (her son) granted property to “Willelmo filio Eustachii avunculo meo”[84]. However, it is not impossible that Aubreye was the uterine sister of William FitzEustace and therefore did not share the same father. The question of Aubreye’s possible earlier marriage is discussed below. Henry & his wife had one child:

a) ROBERT de Lacy (-21 Aug 1193, bur Kirkstall Abbey). The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1190/91], records "Robertus de Lascy" paying "xxi l xvii s vi d" in Yorkshire[85]. A manuscript history of the Lacy family names “Robertus” as the son of “Henricus Lacy” and his wife “sororem Willielmi Vesci rectoris de Berwic”, adding that he died “1193 XII Kal Sep” and was buried “apud Kirkstall”[86]. m as her first husband, ISABEL de Warenne, daughter of HAMELIN d’Anjou Earl of Surrey & his [second] wife Isabel de Warenne of Surrey (-before 30 Nov 1234). A manuscript history of the Lacy family names “Isabella” as wife of “Robertus Lacy”, adding that they were childless[87]. The 1194/95 Pipe Roll records "Ysabel que fuit uxor Roberti de Laci" owing in Yorkshire "pro habenda dota sua de terra eiusdem Roberti"[88]. She married secondly ([1196]%29 Gilbert de Laigle Lord of Pevensey. The Testa de Nevill includes a writ of King John dated 1212 which records that "Gileberti de Aquila" married "comes Warennie…sorore sua" whose dowry was "villa de Westcot…hundredum de Wudetun" in Surrey[89].

4. AUBREYE de Lacy . According to The Complete Peerage, Aubreye de Lisours, successor of Robert de Lacy was his cousin[90], implying that her mother was Robert’s paternal aunt. This appears to be confirmed by the 1130 Pipe Roll which records "Robt de Lusor" in Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire and that he married "sorore Ilbti de Laci"[91]. An apparently different version of Aubreye’s parentage is provided by a manuscript history of the Lacy family which records that “Albreda vel Aubreia, filia Roberti Lisours, soror ex parte matris” succeeded on the death of “Robertus Lacy”[92]. If this is correct, Aubreye’s father was the [first/second] husband of Robert de Lacy’s mother. As the husband of Aubrey junior died in 1163, the chronology suggests that, if this version is correct, it is more probable that Aubreye was the daughter of her mother’s first marriage. It appears from the 1130 Pipe Roll that the Complete Peerage version is to be preferred. m ROBERT de Lisours, son of FULK de Lisours & his wife --- (-after 1167). Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record the knights’ fees held from "F[ulconis] de Lisuris" in Northamptonshire, referring to land which "Ricardus Engaine avus meus" gave to "ultimæ uxori suæ in dotem, scilicet uxori Ricardi filii Ursi" and refers to land held by "duæ amitæ meæ"[93]. The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Robertus de Lisures i m" in Huntingdonshire in [1167/68][94].

Robert had one illegitimate child by an unknown mistress:

5. RALPH le Roux (-after [1135/41]). "Robertus de Lacy" granted "Magnam Merlay…et Tuisleton…et…in Cliderhou" to "Radulpho le Rus" by charter dated 23 Nov 1102[95]. His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated to [1135/41] under which "Ilbertus de Lacy" confirmed the grant of "magnam Mitton, Haghton, magnam Merlay, Twisleton…in Potreton et…in Cliderhou" to "Radulfo le Rouse" and granted further property to "eidem Radulfo fratri meo"[96].

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Sources:

Keats-Rohan, K.S.B. Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents, 1066-1166. The Boydell Press, 2002. p. 538.

"Ilbert de Laci was lord of Bois l' Eveque, near Darnetal, in Normandy, but his Norman influence and possessions were utterly insignificant as compared with those in England. He built Pontefract Castle as the seat of his barony..." (William Wheater, 1868, Temple Newsam: Its History and Antiquities...)

Orderic Vitalis wrote (in The Ecclesiastical History of England and Normandy, Volume 3, p. 277) "Ilbert de Lacy and his mother Havise were owners of Bois l"Eveque, near Darnetal." He also posits Engerrard, son of Hilbert, as being Ilbert's son. "For genealogy of this family, see Monastic. Anglican, p. 859)."

Richard Holmes, in Pontefract: Its Name, Its Lords, and Its Castle (1878): [Notes, not quoted, from p 65ff]

• Enguerrard de Lacy was governor of Caen in 1106
• Hugh de Lacy, youngest son of Ilbert, became Abbot at Selby in 1069--so Ilbert, as Lord of Pontrefact, contributed the Manor of Hambleton towards the Abbey's maintenance.
• Otherwise, little to nothing is known of Ilbert other than that he founded or rebuilt Pontrefact Castle and its Church of St. Clement
• he survived King William since he received from King William Rufus granting him chastelery of his castle and in those of the Bishop of Bayeux
• author is skeptical about Dugdale who said Ilbert was buried at the right corner of the altar of St. Benedict (probably in St. John's monastery in Pontrefact) and who proposes a family tree of Ilbert I then Robert then Ilbert II
• his wife was Avisia or Hawise (mother of Robert)
• It is probable but unproved that Ilbert and Hawise were owners of Bos-l'Eveque, near Darnetal near Rouen. and that Emma de Lacy (a nun at St. Amand) was Ilbert's sister
• Enguerrand, son of Hilbert (i.e. Ilbert) was a benefactor to the nunnery in which Emma lived
• From Lansdowne Manuscript: Hugh de Lacy founded priory of Lanthony on Wales (dedicated 1008), died without progeny so heirs were sisters Ermeline and Emma. Ermeline died, so the whole inheritance passed to Emma's son Gilbert de Lacy.
• Robert de Lacy the only clearly proven son of Ilbert who survived him. Orderic calls him Robert FitzIlbert; was granted from William Rufus all the lands his father held when he died and then c 1090 founded Monastery at Pontrefact. In donations, he names Ilbert and Hawise as his parents. Robert later married Matilda.
• Robert is frequently confounded, in Orderic and elsewhere, with his cousin Roger de Lacy of Hereford
• When Robert de Lacy was disgraced, his estates were transferred to Hugh de Laval, then to William Traverse or Maltravers.
• Boothroyd has conflicting dates for when Robert died, from 1107-1138; author says most likely he was dispossessed in 1122 and had a young son named Ilbert by a new wife then died before 1130 without being restored his honours.

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Robert de Lacy of Pontefract was founder of the Priory of "Pontfret and Mitall [Nuthall]".

He married Matildis uxor Roberti de Lacy circa 1083.

He was Lord of Pontefract Castle. He succeeded his father circa 1093.

Robert profited from the fall of Roger de Montgomery by the grant to him of the land previously held in Yorkshire by Warin Boissel and William de Sai in 1102.

Robert was banished from England in 1114 for some unspecified offense against King Henry I, but he retained his share of the Norman inheritance.

He died before 1129.

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Birth: About 1070 in Halton, Runcorn, Cheshire, England 3 4

Death:

Sex: M

Father: Ilbert De Laci Knight b. 1045 in , Loci, Normandie, France

Mother: Hawise De Lacy b. About 1045 in (, Loci, Normandie, France)

Unknown: (Pontefract, West Riding, Yorkshire, England) 5 6 1 2 4

Changed: 18 Jul 2002 01:00

  Spouses & Children    

Maud Du Perche Countess Of Pontefract (Wife) b. About 1070 in (, Perche, Nogent-Le-Rotrou, France)
1 2 3 4

Marriage: Abt 1094 in Pontefract, West Riding, Yorkshire, England 6 Nov 2004 14:29

Children:

Albreda De Lacy b. About 1097 in Pontefract, West Riding, Yorkshire, England

Walter De Lacy b. About 1099 in Pontefract, West Riding, Yorkshire, England

Hugh De Lacy b. About 1105 in , Ewyas Harrold, Hereford, England

Ibert De Lacy b. About 1106 in Pontefract, West Riding, Yorkshire, England

Henry De Lacy b. About 1108 in Pontefract, West Riding, Yorkshire, England

William De Lacy b. About 1109 in (Pontefract, West Riding, Yorkshire, England))

Founded & built Cluniac priory of St. John, Pontrefract. Built Lacy Castle at Clitheroe. Banished from his English estates abt 1114, but kept those in Normandy. ................................

--- W E Wightman, *The Lacy Family in England and Normandy, 1066-1194*, genealogical chart following p 260. Besides the three children Aubrey,Ilbert II and Henry I entered here, Wightman has "Robert (o.s.p.)" and "a knight (ob. 1138)", of whom he says "These two may be one and the same person", and also "Jordan (ob. ante 1166)".

From same, p 59: "Robert I succeeded his father Ilbert as head of the family, probably between 1091 and 1100. Almost as little is known about his career as about that of his father. The date of his birth cannot even be guessed,and the date of his death is uncertain. He was alive during the time of Thomas II, archbishop of York (1108-13). He was dead by 1129, when Robert de Lisours paid L12. 9s. 4d. for permission to marry Robert de Lacy's daughter Aubrey. ... Robert's wife was called Matilda. She survived into Stephens's reign, and perhaps even until 1155. They had three sons whose existence can be proved, as well as a daugher, Aubrey. Ilbert II suceeded Robert I, and Henry succeeded Ilbert when the latter died apparently childless. A third unnamed son was killed at the battle of the Standard, 22 August 1138, and was the only Anglo-Norman knight killed. Robert also had a son of his own name."

From same, p 60, 61, 63: "Robert I was the first member of the family to found a monastery of his own. ..... Robert I was responsible for the foundation of the Cluniac priory of St. John, Pontefract, at some time during the reign of William I. Robert I seems to have been an energeticfounder and builder, for in addition to his ecclesiastical foundations he was probably responsible for the building of the Lacy castle at Clitheroe. There is no real evidence whatever for the suggestion sometimes advanced that Roger of Poitou built it."

From same, p 66, 67, 68, 72: "Round about 1114 Robert I was banishedfrom his English estates, though apparently not from those in Normandy,since his son was still in possession of his share of the lands there in 1133. The honour was granted to Hugh de Laval not later than 1118 .....Although there is no evidence to connect him with England before he received Pontefract, Hugh seems to have regarded himself as the heir of the Lacy family and to have behaved much like any ordinary tenant-in-chief, unlike his immediate bsuccessor [William] Maltravers. ..... Maltravers was nothing more than an efficient lay administrator and financier who had risen in the service of the king in much the same way as Payn fitzJohn in the West Midlands. Payn was, however, a member of the lesser nobility; of Maltravers's origin nothing is known. He owed his position entirely to his abilities and to the king's recognition of them, to such an extent that by 1130 he had become a man of considerable substance. ..... The manner of his death has long been known, since the tale was told by Richard of Hexham. As soon as Henry I was dead, Maltravers was killed by a knight of the honour, and the way was open for the return to Pontefract of Ilbert II de Lacy. As an upstart whotook no interest in the affairs of his barony save for what he could extract to recoup the sums he had paid for it, Maltravers must have incurred the dislike of established honorial barons like William Foliot and Roger Peitevin. They were the men who would suffer in pocket from his demands, and who would despise a man who could not be regarded as their lord and leader in the same way as a genuine member of the baronage."