Sir Alexander de Balliol

Sir Alexander Balliol was the son of Sir Alexander Balliol, 1st Lord Balliol (of Cavers) and Isabel of Chilham.1 He died after 1346.1

He lived at Cavers, Roxburghshire, Scotland.2 He held the office of Lord Chamberlain [Scotland]. On 12 October 1301 at Berkhamsted, Hertfordshire, England, he was a prisoner.1 On 28 March 1310 he was released from the Tower, with his father as surety for his loyalty.1

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• [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume I, page 387. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
• [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume I, page 386.

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From "Elecric Scotland": "BAILLIE, a surname supposed to have been originally the same as Baliol. In the account of the Baillies of Lamington inserted in the appendix to Nisbet's Heraldry, it is stated that Mr. Alexander Baillie of Castlecarry, a learned antiquarian, was of opinion that the family of Lamington were a branch of the illustrious house of the Baliols, who were lords of Galloway, and kings of Scotland. An uncle of King John Baliol, named Sir Alexander Baliol of Cavers, was great chamberlain of Scotland in the reign of his nephew, in 1292. By Isabel, his wife, the daughter and heiress of Richard de Chillam, the widow of David de Strathbogie, earl of Athol, he had two sons, Alexander and William Baliol. Alexander the eldest, after the abdication of his cousin, King John, joined the Scottish party, for which he was, by order of King Edward, imprisoned in the tower of London, but upon security given by his father and two gentlemen of the house of Lindsay, he was enlarged. (Rymer.) His other son, William, had the lands of Penston and Carnbroe, in the barony of Bothwell, Lanarkshire, the oldest of the possessions of the Baillies of Lamington. After the abdication of his cousin, he also joined the Scottish party, which rendered him so obnoxious to King Edward, that by act of the parliament of England, he was, in 1297, fined in four years' rent of his estate. From Robert the Bruce he got a charter of the lands of Penston. He gave in pure alms to the monks of Newbattle licentiam formandi stagnum in terra de Carnbrue. The lands of Carnbroc continued in the same family till they were given over to a younger son, the ancestor of the Baliols or Baillies of the house of Carphin."

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From Lives of the Baillies. (Draft.) by Baillie, James William Published 1872 page 8-9

Alexander Baliol or De Balliolo, as has been before remarked, is stated by Mr. Ramsay to have been a brother to John Baliol, who founded Baliol College, Oxford ; and Nisbet mentions an uncle of King John Baliol, Sir Alexander Baliol of Cavers, who was Great Chamberlain of Scotland in 1292. Sir Alexander married Isabel, daughter of Richard de Chillam, and widow of David de Strathbolgy, Earl of Athol, by whom he is said to have had two sons, Alexander and William de Baliol.
And here commences that contradiction I have found in writing the history of the Baillies, as every author whom I have consulted gives a different account from the former one ; but I have followed the account by an anonymous author, who professes to have seen the Titles of the Lamington Estates, and I have since compared his account with an Inventory furnished by the present Proprietor of Lamington, and have in most cases found them correspond.
Nisbet in his Appendix, voce Baillie of Lamington, on the authority of Baillie of Castlecary, which, as I have before remarked, is not always to be trusted, says that Sir Alexander Baliol had a son,

ALEXANDER DE BALIOL,

who was not so submissive to the English, after the abdication of his cousin King John, as might have been expected ; but it is not stated that this Alexander de Baliol was proprietor of Hoprig and Penston, and in the first
volume, voce " Stars," page 247, he mentions,

I. SIR JOHN BALIOL, as proprietor of Hoprig in East Lothian in the year 1292.

The only way of reconciling matters that I know, is to say that Sir Alexander had three sons, named

Alexander,

John, and

"William. «

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