Sir John Moncreiffe, Kt., 8th of that Ilk

Note there are conflicting sources for this family. The three accounts of the 'House of Moncrieff' given by Martin, Douglas, and Playfair, differ quite a lot from one another.

Sir John Moncrieff of that Ilk, who got a charter under the Great Seal of the lands and barony of Moncrieff in the year 1495. According to Douglas and Playfair, he married Beatrix Forman of Luthrie (according to Martin's MS., Margaret, daughter of Levingstoune of Easter Wemyss), and got two other charters of certain other lands to himself and Beatrix Forman his spouse, dated between 1501 and 1511, in which he is designated " Dominus de eodem, miles." "John of Muncreff of that Ilk" occurs as one of the arbiters in a dispute between Lyon of Logy and Cardeny of Foss in the year 1488. 1 Six years previously he appears to have contemplated a marriage with Geillis, daughter of David Ogilvy of Inchmartin. He died before 1530, as appears from a charter dated 9th April of that year, " Beatricae Forman, dominse de Moncrieff, rclicta quondam domini Johannis, et Wilhelmo Moncrieff de eodem eorum filio, terrarum de Balgony in vicecom. de Perth." According to Douglas, Sir John Moncrieff had three son and three daughters —

• 1. Sir William, his heir.
• 2. Hugh, ancestor of the Moncrieffs of Tubbermallo (Tippermalloch), who does not appear in the other pedigrees.
• 3. John (of Rapness), ancestor of Sir Robert Moncreiffe of Moncreiffe, Bart.
• 1st daughter, Agnes, married to Thomas Scott, Lord Justice-Clerk.
• 2d, Jean, married to John Leslie of Parkhill, second son of William third Earl of Rothes.
• 3d, Elizabeth (died 16th June 1570), married to David Boswell of Balmuto, by whom she had ten sons and ten daughters.

According to Martin's MS., Sir John Moncrieff of that Ilk and Margaret Levingstoune had two sons and one daughter —

• 1. Sir William, who married Beatrix Grahame, and fell at Flodden in 1513 — their children being Sir William of that Ilk, who married Margaret Murray of Balvaird ; John, father of Gilbert Moncrieff of Myreside ; Alexander ; and three daughters, Margaret, Elizabeth, and Jean, corresponding to the daughters of Sir John Moncrieff and Beatrix Forman.
• 2. Mr John Moncrieff. ancestor of the family of Wester-Rind, who married first, Margaret, daughter of Tyrie of Drumkilbo; secondly, a daughter of the Earl of Atholl, and had three sons, Edmond, David, and John — apparently by his first wife.
• His daughter Margaret is said, in Martin's MS., to have married John Campbell of Lawers, eldest son of Sir Colin of Glenurchy. It appears, however, from the ' Black Book of Taymouth,' that "a dochtir to the Laird of Moncrieff" was the second wife of Sir Duncan Campbell ofGlenurchy, eldest son of Sir Colin, and not of John Campbell of Lawers, who was a younger son of Sir Colin by his fourth wife. The ' Black Book,' moreover, is confirmed by the statement in the Culfargie Tree.

Source: The house of Moncrieff. by Seton, George, 1822-1908; Moncrieff, Alexander, Sir, 1829-1906.  Published 1890 page 28-29.

From Darryl Lundy's Peerage page on John Moncrieffe:

http://www.thepeerage.com/p15052.htm#i150519

John Moncreiffe, 8th of that Ilk [1]

• M, #150519,
• d. circa 1496
• Last Edited=1 Nov 2009

John Moncreiffe, 8th of that Ilk was the son of John Moncreiffe, 7th of that Ilk and Beatrix Dundas.[1]

He married, secondly, Janet Strathauchin, daughter of unknown Strathauchin.[1]

He married, firstly, Margaret Levingston, daughter of Sir Robert Levingston of Drumry.[2]

He died circa 1496.[1]

He feuded with John Ramsay of Kilgour who killed his brother.[2]

In 1484 he was convicted of misappropriating the lands of Kinmonth.[2]

Child of John Moncreiffe, 8th of that Ilk and Janet Strathauchin

• 1. Hew Moncreiffe, 1st of Easter Rhynd+[1]

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Children of John Moncreiffe, 8th of that Ilk and Margaret Levingston

• 1. Margaret Moncreiffe+[3] d. bt 1 Nov 1554 - 10 Nov 1554
• 2. Sir John Moncreiffe, 9th of that Ilk+[4] d. 9 Sep 1513

Citations

• 1. [S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 1338. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
• 2. [S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition, volume 1, page 1337.
• 3. [S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition, volume 1, page 493.
• 4. [S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.