Sir John Seton

Not the same as John Seton, 1st of Parbroath

4. Sir John Seton, son of Alexander Seton “quatrus”, who died vita patris after 1327 [and before April 16, 1346] leaving issue : -

• (1) Alexander Seton, (VI) (or Sir Alexander), married Margaret de Ruthven. Died s.p. After 1327 but before 16 April 1346
• (2) Margaret, Lady of Seton, presumably sister (or possibly first cousin) of Alexander de Seton, the husband of Margaret de Ruthven, and granddaughter of the exGovernor of Berwick, was married, apparently in or after 1347, to Alan de Wyntoun,^ who may perhaps have been a distant kinsman of her own.

Source: Scots Peerage (vol 8). Page 569-570. < Archive.Org >

Research Notes:

PARBROATH?

" (page 569 footnote) 6 According to Maitland {M. G., 24), John, the fourth son, married Elizabeth Ramsay, daughter and heir of Sir Neil Ramsay, Knight, and was by her ancestor of the family of Seton of Parbroath, co. Fife ; but of this there appears to be no record evidence extant ; and the course of the succession to the Seton estates seems irreconcilable with the statement."

Source: Scots Peerage (vol 8) 1 < Archive.Org >

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Origins

About 1311 Sir Alexander married Christian, daughter of Cheyne of Straloch in Aberdeenshire.

By her he had four sons:

• 1. Thomas hanged by the English at Berwick in July 1333.
• 2. William drowned at Berwick while trying to set fire to English ships. Wyntoun says of him "Than Williame off Setoun faucht sa fast among "the schippys, quhill at last his fadyv into the "Se saw him drown"
• 3. Sir Alexander quintus "the son". He was so called to distinguish him from his father. It was apparently he who was sent on a mission to Newcastle in 1323, and was styled by Robert I his "bachelor" . He was killed, opposing the landing of Edward Balliol, at Kinghorn on 6th August 1332. Sir Alexander married Jean, daughter of Sir Thomas Haliburton of Dirleton, and by her probably had a daughter Margaret, who carried on the succession.
• 4. Sir John of whom nothing is known. Maitland says he married Elizabeth heiress of Sir Cecil Ramsay of Parbroath, and founded the cadet branch of Seton of Parbroath. [This marriage is disputed by The Scots Peerage]

Source: "The House of Seton" Vol 1, page 95. https://digital.nls.uk/95447891

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References

1. https://www.patrickspeople.scot/ourfamily/6249.htm
2. The peerage of Scotland: containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom, ... collected from the public records, and ancient chartularies of this nation, ... Illustrated with copper-plates. By Robert Douglas, Esq;. https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco/004896980.0001.000/1:253?rgn=div1... 4. Sir John,* 1.36 ancestor of the Seatons of Par∣broath, Lathrisk, &c.
3. https://www.thepeerage.com/p26262.htm#i262619 John de Seton is the son of Sir Alexander de Seton and Christian le Cheyne.1 Child of John de Seton Margaret de Seton+1
   1. BP2003 volume 1, page 1285. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
4. https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY%20UNTITLED.htm... WILLIAM of Ruthven (-before 16 Apr 1346). … m ---. The name of William’s wife is not known. William & his wife had [two] children: b) MARGARET of Ruthven . The marriage contract of "Alex de Setoune filii quondam domini Johanis de Setoune militis" and "Margareta filia quondam domini Willelmi de Rothven militis" is dated 16 Apr 1346[1359]. m (contract 16 Apr 1346) ALEXANDER de Seton, son of JOHN de Seton & his wife ---.