unknown de Venables, 2nd Baron of Kinderton

Biography

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Unknown de Venables,[1][2] possible lord of the Cheshire barony of Kinderton.

This profile represents the son of Gilbert de Venables, earliest known lord of the Cheshire barony of Kinderton, who is noted in the Domesday Survey. His name is unknown; but his existence is required to continue the line of the Venables of Kinderton.[3][4]

His son was Gilbert de Venables, second known lord of the Cheshire barony of Kinderton.

Research Notes

• According to both Ormerod's History of Cheshire and the 1580 Visitation of Cheshire, the name of the son of Gilbert Venables, 1st Baron of Kinderton, (ie the person represented by this profile) is unknown.[3] [5] There are numerous trees on the internet that claim his first name was "Gilbert", but they provide no source for the assertion and it is likely that they have confused this person with either his father or son, who were both named Gilbert. Or they may have just assumed he was called Gilbert, that being the name of his father and son. Donnelly-2171 22:48, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
• This profile previously showed that he died in 1160 at Kinderton, Cheshire, England. No reliable source has been found to support this date, so it has been removed. Donnelly-2171 22:56, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
• He was probably born sometime between 1060 and 1090, based on the likely lifespan of his father. He may have been born in either Cheshire or Normandy as his father would have owned property in both. Donnelly-2171 23:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

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From https://venablesancestry.wordpress.com/introduction/the-first-three...

Gilbert de Venables was noted in the records in 1086 and 1098. It is not clear what coat of arms Gilbert carried, however his seal was a falcon sinister regardant (falcon with his head looking backward, to the left of the shield bearer). He gave the advowson of the Church of Astbury to the Abbey of St. Werburge at Chester in 1098. His son is unknown, but in 1102 at Shrewsbury is Ulger Grosvenor, alias Ulger de Venables, with Roger de Nevil, and others. (The History and Antiquities of Shrewsbury: Vol. 1; Phillips) Gilbert de Venables’ grandson was Gilbert de Venables, Baron of Kinderton in the reign of Henry II.

This grandson, Gilbert, married Margery the daughter of Walthew, son of Wolfric, Lord of Hatton by whom he had halfe of Moxton near Gawesworth in ffrank-marriage.

According to Ormerod, Gilbert Venables … was the progenitor of numerous lines of the Venables family, of the Leghs of Booth, with their collateral branches, and the Meres of Mere; to which must be added with probability only not amounting to positive proof, the Leghs of West Hall, and with weaker, but still very strong probability, the Dones (Donnes), Leghs of East Hall, and Breretons. Also of this line were the Grosvenors, from gros venor (large hunter), and it would appear the Butlers of Chester, Barons of Warrington, who bore, or, a bend azure, differenced by the wheat sheaves of Chester.

Gilbert was the father of: William de Venables, Hamon de Legh, Gilbert de Lymme, Michael de Merston, Richard de Neubold, Hugh de Venables, Maud and Amabile. The third baron, died in 1188.

Sources

1. https://cybergata.com/roots/5232.htm
2. WikiTree contributors, "Unknown (Venables) de Venables (bef.1090-)," WikiTree: The Free Family Tree, (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Venables-19 : accessed 03 June 2024).
   1. George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester, 3 vols. 2nd ed., revised and enlarged by Thomas Helsby (Ludgate Hill, London: George Routledge and Sons, 1882), 3:198.
   2. Robert Glover, The Visitation of Cheshire in the Year 1580 ... With Numerous Additions and Continuations Including ... The Visitation of Cheshire Made in the Year 1566 ..., The Publications of the Harleian Society, Visitation Series, vol. 18, edited by John Paul Rylands (London: The Society, 1882), p. 227, Venables, Baron of Kinderton.
   3. Ormerod, History of ... Chester, 3:187.
   4. Glover, Visitation of Cheshire in the Year 1580, p. 227.
   5. Glover, Visitation of Cheshire in the Year 1580, p. 227.