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Renaud de Clermont (de Beauvais), II (III), Count of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis

French: Renaud II de Clermont, comte de Clermont en Beauvaisis
Also Known As: "Count of Clermont"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France
Death: April 1152 (72-81)
France
Immediate Family:

Son of Hugh I of Clermont, Lord of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis and of Luzarches and Marguerite de Ramerupt, Dame de Roucy
Husband of Adèle de Vermandois, comtesse de Vermandois et Valois and Clemence de Bar-sur-Aube
Partner of NN Second wife of Renaud de Clermont, Countess of Clermont
Father of Marguerite “the elder sister” de Clermont, dame de Luzarches; Etienne de Clermont; Raoul de Clermont, died young; Simon I de Clermont, Seigneur d'Ailly-sur-Noye; Mathilda de Clermont, comtesse de Dammartin and 7 others
Brother of Ermentrude de Clermont, Countess of Cheshire; Adeliza de Claremont; Richilde de Clermont; Béatrix de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis, dame de Luzarches; Guy de Clermont and 2 others
Half brother of Hugh de Ponthieu

Occupation: Conde de Clermont, Comte, de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis, Sieur, de Luzarches, Croisé, Comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis (60)., de CLERMONT-EN-BEAUVAISIS
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About Renaud II (III), comte de Clermont en Beauvaisis

Renaud II, Count of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis

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Renaud II of Clermont (Renaud/Rainald II de Clermont; 1075–1152), son of Hugh I, Count of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis, and Marguerite de Roucy (daughter of Hilduin IV, Count of Montdidier). Renaud became Count of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis upon his father’s death in 1101.

First Crusade

Renaud, also known as Rainald of Beauvais[1] before he inherited the countship of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis from his father, took the Cross and joined the First Crusade in the army of Hugh the Great, Count of Vermandois, brother of Philip I of France. Hugh led a small army that travelled by ship, in an armada commanded by Arnout II, Count of Aarschot, to the Holy Land. In addition to Ranaud, some of the prominent members of Hugh’s army included[2] Stephen of Aumale, Walter of Domart-en-Ponthieu (St.-Valery), Alan IV Fregant, Duke of Brittany, Walo II of Chaumont-en-Vexin, Girard I of Roussillon, and William V, Lord of Montpellier.

Among the first battles this contingent fought was the Siege of Nicaea. Rainaud also joined Hugh in the Battle of Dorylaeum whose forces were at the rear of the main attack.[3]

Sweetenham[4] reports that during the siege, a Turk armed himself and rode towards the Crusaders at a high rate of speed. Rainaud mounted with his shield and lance, and killed the Turk outright, keeping his horse, much to the delight of the Franks. The Turk was carrying a letter allegedly from Mecca stating that the Turks were bringing their forces to jouse with the Franks in battle. It has been suggested that Rainaud’s actions infringed on the rules of war extant at the time.

It is not clear whether Rainaud returned to France with Hugh in 1098. There are not records of his serving in any other armies.

Marriages and children

In 1103, Renaud married Adelaide, Countess of Vermandois, daughter of Herbert IV, Count of Vermandois,[5] and his wife Adele of Valois. Renaud and Adelaide had at least one child:

  • Marguerite of Clermont (1105-1145), married first to Charles I, Count of Flanders, second to Hugh II, Count of Saint-Pol, third to Baldwin of Encre.[5]

Renaud married a second time to a woman whose name is not known; they had four children:

  • Raoul I the Red, Count of Clermont-Beauvaisis
  • Simon I (d. after 1189), Seigneur of Nesle and Ailly-sur-Noye
  • Etienne
  • Mathilde (d. 1200), married to Alberic III, Count of Dammartin.

Widowed, Renaud married for the third time, in 1129, to Clemence de Bar, daughter of Reginald I, Count of Bar, and his wife Giselle de Vaudémont. Renaud and Clemence had six children:

  • Renaud
  • Hugh (d. 1200), abbot of Creil, canon in Toul, archdeacon of Ligny
  • Guy
  • Gautier
  • Marguerite, married to Guy III de Senlis, Grand Butler of France
  • Constance, married to Roger de La Tournelle.

Upon his death, Renaud was succeeded as Count of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis by his son Raoul.

References

# Riley-Smith, Jonathan. The First Crusaders, 1095-1131.
  1. Edgington, Susan. Albert of Aachen: Historia Ierosolimitana, History of the Journey to Jerusalem.
  2. "Albert of Aix, Historia Hierosolymitanae Expeditionis, Liber II, Cap. XLII, pg. 332".
  3. "Sweetenham, Carol, The Chanson D'Antioche: An Old French Account of the First Crusade, pg. 325".
  4. Galbert (de Bruges), The Murder, Betrayal, and Slaughter of the Glorious Charles, Count of Flanders, transl. John Jeffrey Rider, (Yale University Press, 2013), 42 note131.

Sources

  • Galbert (de Bruges), The Murder, Betrayal, and Slaughter of the Glorious Charles, Count of Flanders, transl. John Jeffrey Rider, Yale University Press, 2013.
  • Prime, Temple, Note on the County of Clermont, Notes Relative to Certain Matters Connected with French History, De Vinne Press, New York, 1903 (available on Google Books)
  • Riley-Smith, Jonathan, The First Crusaders, 1095-1131, Cambridge University Press, London, 1997, pg. 218 (available on Google Books).
  • Edgington, Susan, Albert of Aachen: Historia Ierosolimitana, History of the Journey to Jerusalem, Clarendon Press, Gloucestershire, 2007 (available on Google Books)
  • A Database of Crusaders to the Holy Land, 1095-1149
  • Sweetenham, Carol, The Chanson D'Antioche: An Old French Account of the First Crusade, Routliedge, Florence, Kentucky, 2016 (available on Google Books)
  • Albert of Aix, Historia Hierosolymitanae Expeditions (archive).

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/parclerdam.htm [updated August 2018]

RENAUD [III] de Clermont, son of HUGUES [II] de Creil & his wife Marguerite de Ramerupt (-[1152/53]). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Guido dictus Qui-non-dormit et Hugo Pauper et comes Rainaldus et sorores eorum" as children of "Hugo comes de Claro-monte" and his wife Marguerite[61]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitem Rainaldum" as son of "comiti Hugonis de Claromonte Baluacensi" and his wife Marguerite[62]. Albert of Aix names "…Reinoldus de civitate Belvatiæ…" among those who took part in the siege of Nikaia, dated to mid-1097 from the context[63]. Albert of Aix records that "…Reinaldus de Belvacio…" fought against the Turks at Dorylæum (1 Jul 1097)[64]. "Hugo Clarimontis dns" confirmed his donations to the church of Saint-Germer-de-Flay, with the consent of "filiis meis Rainaldo et Guidone", by charter dated to before Nov 1099[65]. He assumed the title Comte de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] after his first marriage[66]. [%E2%80%9CRadulfus Oysardi filius” donated property at Creil to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, and the nuns obtained the consent of "comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita", by charter dated to [1119][67]. The dating of this document is problematic: while the presence of Marguerite suggests that she was still unmarried, the date is inconsistent with the estimated birth date of Clémence. It should be noted that Mathon dates the consent given by Comte Renaud to [1153], although he does not state why he says this[68]. If that dating is correct, the witness would have been Renaud’s daughter Marguerite by his second marriage, although it is unclear why she would have been singled out for giving consent without her brothers and sisters.] A charter dated 1144 confirmed a donation by "Rainaldus Claromontensis comes" to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, with the consent of "Clementia uxor prædicti comitis cum filio suo Guidone"[69]. An undated charter records the grant of pasturage rights "ad castrum Claromontis, Credulii, Gornaci, Lusarchiarum" to Saint-Leu d’Esserant by "Hugo comes Cestrensis" and "Hugo Claromontensis et Margarita uxor eius", later confirmed by "Rainaldus comes" with the consent of "uxore eius Clementia et filiis eius Guidone et Rainaldo"[70]. "Rainaldus comes de Claromonte et Clemencia uxor eius et Widdo eorum filius" confirmed donations to Saint-Leu d’Esserant made by "Albericus…Paganus…comites de Donno Martino…pater suus Hugo de Claromonte et Margarita uxor eius et comites Cestrences Hugo et Richardus", on the advice of "uxoris meæ Adæ", by charter dated 1152[71]. Louvet notes a donation to the priory of Gournay-sur-Aronde made by “Rainal Comte de Clermont et Clemence sa femme” which was confirmed and supplemented in 1165 by “leurs enfans...Raoult Comte de Clermont, Simon, Gautier, Margueritte, Matilde et Comtesse”[72]. The charter dated 1153 which records the donation made by his wife and children suggests that Renaud was already dead at that time.

m firstly (1103) ADELAIS Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy, widow of HUGUES de France Comte de Vermandois, daughter and heiress of HERIBERT [VI] Comte de Vermandois & his wife Adelais de Valois ([1065]-28 Sep [1120/24]). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that the husband of Adela was "Hugoni le Magne" and referring to her second husband "comes de Claromonte", specifying that her daughter by the latter married Charles Count of Flanders[73]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem comitissam Viromandensium, defuncto priore viro, scilicet Hugone Magno" as wife of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]"[74].

m secondly ([1135]%29 [as her second husband,] CLEMENCE de Bar, [widow of --- Comte de Dammartin,] daughter of RENAUD I Comte de Bar & his wife Gisèle de Vaudémont ([1123/27]-after 20 Jan 1182). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis records that "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]" married "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns"[75]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites de Claromonte Belvacensi" as descended from "una…sorore eiusdem comitis [=comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[76]. Her birth date range is estimated based on the date of her parents' marriage. Renaud’s second wife would presumably have held the title “Ctss de Dammartin” through an earlier marriage to a comte de Dammartin. If she had been the daughter of a comte de Dammartin, she would not have borne the comital title. [%E2%80%9CRadulfus Oysardi filius” donated property at Creil to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, and the nuns obtained the consent of "comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita", by charter dated to [1119][77]. The dating of this document is problematic: while the presence of Marguerite suggests that she was still unmarried, the date is inconsistent with the estimated birth date of Clémence. It should be noted that Mathon dates the consent given by Comte Renaud to [1153], although he does not state why he says this[78]. If that dating is correct, the witness would have been Renaud’s daughter Marguerite by his second marriage, although it is unclear why she would have been singled out for giving consent without her brothers and sisters.] Louis VII King of France confirmed what “episcopus Parisiensis et Guillelmus Lupus frater eius et comes Damni-Martini Renaudus cum uxore sua” donated to Chaalis “per concessum Adelizæ de Bulis et filiorum eius Lancelini...et fratrum suorum” and the donation of land “apud Hermenovillam et...moriens juxta Villam-novam” made by “Joscelinus de Damno-Martino”, by charter dated 1138[79]. The property the subject of the first-named donation is not specified in the charter. However, a possibly linked charter dated to [1137] records that “Willelmus Lupus Silvanectensis” donated “locum...in quo situm est cœnobium...[et] usum totius Espioniæ et Beeley”, with the support of “uxore mea Adelvia, filioque meo majore...Guidone” and sealed by “fratris mei Stephani Parisiensis episc.”[80]. The charter dated 1138 also provides a possible indication of Clémence’s family origin: the joint donation suggests a joint interest in the property donated, and so a connection with the family of the bouteillers de Senlis (to which Guillaume “le Loup” and his brother Etienne Bishop of Paris belonged). A charter dated 1144 confirmed a donation by "Rainaldus Claromontensis comes" to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, with the consent of "Clementia uxor prædicti comitis cum filio suo Guidone"[81]. An undated charter records the grant of pasturage rights "ad castrum Claromontis, Credulii, Gornaci, Lusarchiarum" to Saint-Leu d’Esserant by "Hugo comes Cestrensis" and "Hugo Claromontensis et Margarita uxor eius", later confirmed by "Rainaldus comes" with the consent of "uxore eius Clementia et filiis eius Guidone et Rainaldo"[82]. "Rainaldus comes de Claromonte et Clemencia uxor eius et Widdo eorum filius" confirmed donations to Saint-Leu d’Esserant made by "Albericus…Paganus…comites de Donno Martino…pater suus Hugo de Claromonte et Margarita uxor eius et comites Cestrences Hugo et Richardus", on the advice of "uxoris meæ Adæ", by charter dated 1152[83]. Louvet notes a donation to the priory of Gournay-sur-Aronde made by “Rainal Comte de Clermont et Clemence sa femme” which was confirmed and supplemented in 1165 by “leurs enfans...Raoult Comte de Clermont, Simon, Gautier, Margueritte, Matilde et Comtesse”[84]. Louis VII King of France confirmed an agreement between Eudes Prior of Saint-Denis and "Donni Martini comitissam Clementiam" who relinquished rights “in Trenbleio” by charter dated 1153[85]. Mathieu quotes a charter of Manassès Bishop of Meaux, dated to [1157], which records property first donated to Chaalis by “Domnimartini comitissa Clementia, laudante viro suo Renaldo de Clarimonte” as well as her donation of rights of way and use of wood “in omnia terra” belonging to “consulatum Domnimartini”[86]. “Clementia comitissa de Domno Martino cum liberis meis” renounced rights over “villa Trembliaco” after disputes between the abbey of Saint-Denis and “antecessores nostros comites de Dompno Martino”, litigated before “regis Ludovici”, by undated charter (dated to [1153/62]), witnessed by “Ansoldus de Claromonte et Petrus nepos eius, Galterus de Alneto...”[87]. [She married [thirdly] Thibaut [III] de Crépy Seigneur de Nanteuil-le-Hardouin. Duchesne states that Thibaut [III] de Nanteuil married “Clemence veuve de Renaut Comte de Clairmont en Beauvoisin” by whom he had three children, but does not cite the corresponding primary source[88]. The primary source which confirms this third marriage has not been identified, and from a chronological point of view it appears unlikely to be correct particularly as she is supposed to have had children by her third husband.]

Comte Renaud & his first wife had two children:

1. MARGUERITE de Clermont ([1104/05]-after 1145). [%E2%80%9CRadulfus Oysardi filius” donated property at Creil to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, and the nuns obtained the consent of "comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita", by charter dated to [1119][89]. The dating of this document is problematic: while the presence of Marguerite suggests that she was still unmarried, the date is inconsistent with the estimated birth date of Clémence. It should be noted that Mathon dates the consent given by Comte Renaud to [1153], although he does not state why he says this[90]. If that dating is correct, the witness would have been Renaud’s daughter Marguerite by his second marriage, although it is unclear why she would have been singled out for giving consent without her brothers and sisters.] The Vita Karoli Comitis Flandriæ names "nobilem puellam Margaretam, Reinaldi comitis Clarmontensis filiam" as wife of Count Charles, specifying that the marriage took place before his accession[91]. The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses refers to (but does not name) the daughter of "comes de Claromonte" and his wife Adela, specifying that she married firstly Charles Count of Flanders, secondly "Hugo Champdaveine…comes Sancti Pauli" by whom she had "Radulfus Champdaveine et Guod Champdaveine", and thirdly "dominus Balduinus de Encra" by whom she had "domini Galteri de Helli"[92]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to, but does not name, the daughter of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]" & his wife Adelaide as wife of "comes Karolus Flandre"[93]. It is assumed that Marguerite was born soon after her parents' marriage as her mother was already nearly 40 years old at the time. m firstly (before Jul 1119) CARL of Denmark, son of KNUD II "den Hellige/the Holy" King of Denmark & his wife Adela de Flandre ([1084]-murdered Bruges 2 Mar 1127, bur Bruges, St Donatien, later Saint-Sauveur). He succeeded in 1119 as CHARLES "the Good" Count of Flanders. m secondly ([1128]%29 as his second wife, HUGUES [III] “Candavène” Comte de Saint-Pol, son of HUGUES [II] Comte de Saint-Pol & his wife Helissende de Ponthieu (-after 1145). m thirdly BAUDOUIN d’Encre, son of ---.

2. RAOUL de Clermont . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not been identified.

Comte Renaud & his second wife had ten children:

3. GUY de Clermont (-after 1152). The presence of Guy, without his brothers, in the charter dated 1144 quoted below, suggests that he was his father’s oldest surviving son at the time. This suggestion appears corroborated by the order of the names of Renaud’s sons in the following source. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Guidonem et Rainaldum et Hugonem archidiaconum Metensem et Galterum cum aliis utriusque sexus" as children of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]" and his wife "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns"[94]. A charter dated 1144 confirmed a donation by "Rainaldus Claromontensis comes" to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, with the consent of "Clementia uxor prædicti comitis cum filio suo Guidone"[95]. An undated charter records the grant of pasturage rights "ad castrum Claromontis, Credulii, Gornaci, Lusarchiarum" to Saint-Leu d’Esserant by "Hugo comes Cestrensis" and "Hugo Claromontensis et Margarita uxor eius", later confirmed by "Rainaldus comes" with the consent of "uxore eius Clementia et filiis eius Guidone et Rainaldo"[96]. "Rainaldus comes de Claromonte et Clemencia uxor eius et Widdo eorum filius" confirmed donations to Saint-Leu d’Esserant made by "Albericus…Paganus…comites de Donno Martino…pater suus Hugo de Claromonte et Margarita uxor eius et comites Cestrences Hugo et Richardus", on the advice of "uxoris meæ Adæ", by charter dated 1152[97].

4. RAOUL "le Roux" de Clermont ([before 1140]-killed in battle Acre 15 Oct 1191). It should be noted that the Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Guidonem et Rainaldum et Hugonem archidiaconum Metensem et Galterum cum aliis utriusque sexus" as children of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]" and his wife "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns" but makes no mention of Raoul[98], although other sources quoted below confirm his parentage. The chronology of his life suggests the unlikelihood that he was born later than [1140]. Comte de Clermont. "Radulfus…comes Clarimontis" donated property to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp with the consent of "Adelidis uxor mea et Matildis soror mea…fratris mei Symon et Stephanus" by charter dated 1162, witnessed by "Guido Campus Avene nepos meus"[99]. Connétable de France 1164. Louvet notes a donation to the priory of Gournay-sur-Aronde made by “Rainal Comte de Clermont et Clemence sa femme” which was confirmed and supplemented in 1165 by “leurs enfans...Raoult Comte de Clermont, Simon, Gautier, Margueritte, Matilde et Comtesse”[100]. Mathon says that Raoul, still childless, made this supplementary donation in 1165 in the hope of the birth of an heir[101]. "R…comes Clarimontis et dominus Brituliensis…et Aeliz comitissam uxorem meam" confirmed the donation to the church of Breteuil by "Sangalo de Garda Malgerii, Henricus filius eius" by undated charter, witnessed by "Albericus Domni Martini comes et Mahaux soror mea, Domni Martini comitissa, Rainaldus castellanus Britulii…"[102]. “Radulfus comes Clarimontis” donated rights “in molendino de Levrel” to Jumièges by charter dated [5 Apr 1170/27 Mar 1171], subscribed by “Symone fratre comitis...”[103]. “Radulfus...comes Clarimontis et dominus Britolii” reached agreement with Lannoy abbey over “feodis meis in Montania”, with the consent of “uxore mea comitissa Aeliza et filia mea Katerina et fratre meo Symone cum uxore sua Matilde”, by charter dated 1174[104]. "Radulfus…comes Claromontensis" donated the church of Saint-Evremond de Creil to the priory of Saint-Leu d’Esserent, for "progenitorum meorum qui in monasterio…sepulti sunt", with the consent of "fratribus meis Hugone primicerio Metensis ecclesiæ…ecclesiæ de Credulio abate, et Simone milite fratre meo et dominum meum Radulfum abbatem Cluniacensem atque…domnum Rainaldum consanguineum meum eiusdem monasterii tunc priorem" [Raoul de Sully abbé de Cluny, Renaud de Haut-Pierre, prieur de Saint-Leu], by charter dated 24 Feb 1176[105]. "Radulphus…comes Clarimontis" donated harvest from property "apud Credulium" to Paris Hôtel-Dieu, with the consent of "uxore mea comitissa Aaliz et filiabus meis…Catalina et Aaliz", by charter dated 1177[106]. "Radulfus comes Claromonensis" donated property to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp with the consent of "Adelidis uxoris mee et filiarum mearum Katerine et Adelidis" by charter dated 1178, subscribed by "Symonis fratris mei, Petri Ambianensis nepotis mei"[107]. "Radulfus comes Clarimontis" donated property to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp with the consent of "uxore mea Aelis, filio que meo Philippo et Katarina filia mee" by charter dated 1182[108]. "Radulfus comes Clarimontis" donated part of Hez wood to the church of Froidmont by charter dated 1190 witnessed by "Alberico comite de Dammartin et Renaldo filio eius…Aelidis uxor mea et filie mee Cathelina et Mathildis…Hugo frater meus primicerius ecclesie Mettensis…"[109]. The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Radulphus comes Clarimontis" among those who died in Palestine in [1191], presumably at the siege of Acre[110]. m (before 1162) ALIX de Breteuil, daughter of VALERAN [III] Seigneur de Breteuil-en-Beauvaisis & his first wife Holdeburge dame d'Ailly-sur-Noye et de Tartigny (-after [1196/97], bur Variville). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitissam Clarimontis Belvacensis et uxorem Symonis Clarimontis et Emiciam" as the three daughters of "Alaydis [filia comitem de Brana Robertum domnum]" & her first husband[111], although it appears chronologically impossible for Alix, wife of Raoul Comte de Clermont, to have been the daughter of Valeran [III] by his second wife. The correct parentage of Alix and her sister Mathilde is confirmed by the charter dated 1153 which records that “Galerannum de Britoglio” donated property at Champmartin at Rueil-sur-Bèche to Froidmont abbey, with the consent of “Hugone fratre suo...et Holdeburge uxore Galeranni, Aalsi et Mathilde filiabus eius”[112]. Lépinois dates her marriage to [1153/55], but this appears to be little more than guesswork[113]. "Adelidis uxor …" consented to the donation by "Radulfus…comes Clarimontis" to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp by charter dated 1162[114]. "R…comes Clarimontis et dominus Brituliensis…et Aeliz comitissam uxorem meam" confirmed the donation to the church of Breteuil by "Sangalo de Garda Malgerii, Henricus filius eius" by undated charter, witnessed by "Albericus Domni Martini comes et Mahaux soror mea, Domni Martini comitissa, Rainaldus castellanus Britulii…"[115]. “Radulfus...comes Clarimontis et dominus Britolii” reached agreement with Lannoy abbey over “feodis meis in Montania”, with the consent of “uxore mea comitissa Aeliza et filia mea Katerina et fratre meo Symone cum uxore sua Matilde”, by charter dated 1174[116]. "Radulphus…comes Clarimontis" donated harvest from property "apud Credulium" to Paris Hôtel-Dieu, with the consent of "uxore mea comitissa Aaliz et filiabus meis…Catalina et Aaliz", by charter dated 1177[117]. "Adelidis uxoris mee…" consented to two donations by "Radulfus comes Claromonensis" to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp by charters dated 1178[118]. "Uxore mea Aelis…" consented to the donation by "Radulfus comes Clarimontis" to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp by charter dated 1182[119]. "Radulfus comes Clarimontis" donated part of Hez wood to the church of Froidmont by charter dated 1190 witnessed by "Alberico comite de Dammartin et Renaldo filio eius…Aelidis uxor mea et filie mee Cathelina et Mathildis…Hugo frater meus primicerius ecclesie Mettensis…"[120]. "Aelidis comitissa Claromontis et domina Britulli" confirmed the donation to the church of Breteuil by "Hugo de Garda" by charter dated 1194, witnessed by "Radulphus de Ailli nepos meus…Manasses de Conti…" and confirmed another donation by "Hugo de Crepicordio frater patris mei Galeranni" for the soul of "Petronille filie sue" and confirmed after his death by "Heverardus eius filius successor et heres"[121].

Comte Raoul & his wife had four children:

a) CATHERINE de Clermont (after 1165-19/20 Sep [1212/23]). “Radulfus...comes Clarimontis et dominus Britolii” reached agreement with Lannoy abbey over “feodis meis in Montania”, with the consent of “uxore mea comitissa Aeliza et filia mea Katerina et fratre meo Symone cum uxore sua Matilde”, by charter dated 1174[122]. "Radulphus…comes Clarimontis" donated harvest from property "apud Credulium" to Paris Hôtel-Dieu, with the consent of "uxore mea comitissa Aaliz et filiabus meis…Catalina et Aaliz", by charter dated 1177[123]. "…Filiarum mearum Katerine et Adelidis" consented to two donations by "Radulfus comes Claromonensis" to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp by charters dated 1178[124]. "…Filio que meo Philippo et Katarina filia mee" consented to the donation by "Radulfus comes Clarimontis" to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp by charter dated 1182[125]. "Radulfus comes Clarimontis" donated part of Hez wood to the church of Froidmont by charter dated 1190 witnessed by "Alberico comite de Dammartin et Renaldo filio eius…Aelidis uxor mea et filie mee Cathelina et Mathildis…Hugo frater meus primicerius ecclesie Mettensis…"[126]. "Catharina uxore…" consented to the donation by "Louis C. de Blois et de Clermont" to the abbey of l'Etoile by charter dated 1190[127]. She succeeded as Ctss de Clermont in 1192. "Katerina uxore mea…" consented to the donation by "Ludovicus comes Blesensis et Clarimontis" to Hôtel-Dieu, Châteaudun by charter dated 27 Jan 1196[128]. "Katherina uxore mea…" consented to the confirmation by "Ludovicus Blesensis et Clarimontis comes" of the donation by "Gaufridus vicecomes Castriduni" to Hôtel-Dieu, Châteaudun by charter dated Mar 1200[129]. "Katerina Blesensis et Claromontensis comitisse" consented to a donation to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp by charter dated 1202[130]. "Katherina uxore mea…" consented to the donation by "Ludovicus Blesensis et Clarimontis comes…Iherosolimam proficiscens" to Hôtel-Dieu, Châteadun by charter dated May 1202[131]. "Katelina Blesis et Clarimuntis comitissa" took "villam Ceresium" into her protection by charter dated 1206 which names "Theobaldus comes felicis memorie et eius filius comes Ludovicus dominus meus"[132]. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "XII Kal Oct" of "Katerina…comitissa Blesensis et Clarimontis", also naming "viro suo…comite Ludovico…Theobaldus comes filius suus"[133]. m (1184) LOUIS de Blois, son of THIBAUT V "le Bon" Comte de Blois & his second wife Alix de France (-killed in battle near Adrianople 15 Apr 1205). He succeeded in 1191 as Comte de Blois.
b) AELIS de Clermont (-[before 1182]). "Radulphus…comes Clarimontis" donated harvest from property "apud Credulium" to Paris Hôtel-Dieu, with the consent of "uxore mea comitissa Aaliz et filiabus meis…Catalina et Aaliz", by charter dated 1177[134]. "…Filiarum mearum Katerine et Adelidis" consented to two donations by "Radulfus comes Claromonensis" to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp by charters dated 1178[135]. Presumably she died before 1182 when she is not named with her brother and sister as confirming her father's donation.
c) MATHILDE de Clermont (-1200 or after). "Radulfus comes Clarimontis" donated part of Hez wood to the church of Froidmont by charter dated 1190 witnessed by "Alberico comite de Dammartin et Renaldo filio eius…Aelidis uxor mea et filie mee Cathelina et Mathildis…Hugo frater meus primicerius ecclesie Mettensis…"[136]. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not been identified. m GUILLAUME [I] Seigneur de Vierzon, son of HERVE [I] Seigneur de Vierzon & his wife Eléonore de la Ferté-Imbaud (-1197).
d) PHILIPPE de Clermont ([after 1178]-[1182/92]). He was presumably born after 1178 as, unlike his two older sisters, he is not named in the charter of that date which is quoted above. "…Filio que meo Philippo et Katarina filia mee" consented to the donation by "Radulfus comes Clarimontis" to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp by charter dated 1182[137]. He presumably predeceased his father.

5. MARGUERITE de Clermont (-29 Oct [1187]). Her parentage and marriage are confirmed by the charter dated May 1218 under which [her son] “Gui le bouteiller chevalier” relinquished his rights over the county of Clermont in favour of the king[138]. [%E2%80%9CRadulfus Oysardi filius” donated property at Creil to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, and the nuns obtained the consent of "comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita", by charter dated to [1119][139]. The dating of this document is problematic: while the presence of Marguerite suggests that she was still unmarried, the date is inconsistent with the estimated birth date of Clémence. It should be noted that Mathon dates the consent given by Comte Renaud to [1153], although he does not state why he says this[140]. If that dating is correct, the witness would have been Renaud’s daughter Marguerite by his second marriage, although it is unclear why she would have been singled out for giving consent without her brothers and sisters.] Louvet notes a donation to the priory of Gournay-sur-Aronde made by “Rainal Comte de Clermont et Clemence sa femme” which was confirmed and supplemented in 1165 by “leurs enfans...Raoult Comte de Clermont, Simon, Gautier, Margueritte, Matilde et Comtesse”[141]. "Henricus...Silvanect...episcopus" confirmed the donation of “decimam...in...nemoris de Braisilva” made to Saint-Nicolas d’Acy by “dominus Guido buticularius”, with the consent of “conjugis suæ Margaritæ et filiorum suorum Guidonis primogeniti et Willelmi junioris”, by charter dated 1171[142]. Dame de Luzarches. "Guido Ludovici…regis Francie buticularius" donated property to Chaalis, with the consent of "uxoris mee Margarite et filiorum meorum Guidonis, Willelmi, Rainaldi, Nivelonis et filie mee Adeline", by charter dated 1180[143]. m ([1 Aug 1154/26 Mar 1155]) GUY [III] de Senlis Seigneur de Chantilly et d'Ermenonville, son of GUILLAUME [I] "le Loup" Seigneur de Chantilly & his wife Adeline --- (-10 Oct 1188). Bouteiller de France.

6. SIMON de Clermont (-1187 or after). "…Fratris mei Symon et Stephanus" consented to the donation by "Radulfus…comes Clarimontis" to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp by charter dated 1162[144].

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7. ETIENNE de Clermont (-[1162/65]). "…Fratris mei Symon et Stephanus" consented to the donation by "Radulfus…comes Clarimontis" to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp by charter dated 1162[145]. The primary source which confirms the identity of Etienne's mother has not been identified. Etienne's absence, together with Raoul and Simon, from the list of Comte Renaud's sons by his wife Clémence de Bar in the Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis (see above) suggests that the two groups of brothers may have been born from different marriages, although the issue is not without doubt[146]. This hypothesis may be corroborated by Simon and Etienne, and their sister Mathilde, subscribing Raoul's 1162 charter, without any of the other named [half-]brothers. His absence from the donation dated 1165 which names his brothers suggests that Etienne had died by then.

8. RENAUD de Clermont . The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Guidonem et Rainaldum et Hugonem archidiaconum Metensem et Galterum cum aliis utriusque sexus" as children of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]" and his wife "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns"[147]. An undated charter records the grant of pasturage rights "ad castrum Claromontis, Credulii, Gornaci, Lusarchiarum" to Saint-Leu d’Esserant by "Hugo comes Cestrensis" and "Hugo Claromontensis et Margarita uxor eius", later confirmed by "Rainaldus comes" with the consent of "uxore eius Clementia et filiis eius Guidone et Rainaldo"[148].

9. HUGUES de Clermont (-28 May 1200). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Guidonem et Rainaldum et Hugonem archidiaconum Metensem et Galterum cum aliis utriusque sexus" as children of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]" and his wife "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns"[149]. Primicerius at Metz 1164/70. He was elected Bishop of Metz 1171. Abbot of Creil. "Radulfus…comes Claromontensis" donated the church of Saint-Evremond de Creil to the priory of Saint-Leu d’Esserent, with the consent of "fratribus meis Hugone primicerio Metensis ecclesiæ…ecclesiæ de Credulio abate, et Simone milite fratre meo…", by charter dated 24 Feb 1176[150]. Provost of Saint-Sauveur at Metz. Canon at Toul. Archdeacon at Ligny 1186. "Radulfus comes Clarimontis" donated part of Hez wood to the church of Froidmont by charter dated 1190 witnessed by "Alberico comite de Dammartin et Renaldo filio eius…Aelidis uxor mea et filie mee Cathelina et Mathildis…Hugo frater meus primicerius ecclesie Mettensis…"[151].

10. GAUTHIER de Clermont . The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Guidonem et Rainaldum et Hugonem archidiaconum Metensem et Galterum cum aliis utriusque sexus" as children of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]" and his wife "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns"[152].

11. MATHILDE de Clermont (-after [May/Jul] 1218). "…Matildis soror mea…" consented to the donation by "Radulfus…comes Clarimontis" to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp by charter dated 1162[153]. The primary source which confirms the identity of Mathilde's mother has not been identified. As noted above, the fact that Mathilde and her brothers Simon and Etienne subscribed the 1162 charter, without any of their other named [half-]brothers, suggests that the two groups of brothers and sisters may have been born from different marriages, although the issue is not without doubt. Mathilde was probably heiress of Dammartin, inherited from her mother. At first sight this would suggest that she may have been born from her mother’s first marriage, except that her donation made in 1218 (see below) suggests the improbability of her birth before [1140]. Louvet notes a donation to the priory of Gournay-sur-Aronde made by “Rainal Comte de Clermont et Clemence sa femme” which was confirmed and supplemented in 1165 by “leurs enfans...Raoult Comte de Clermont, Simon, Gautier, Margueritte, Matilde et Comtesse”[154]. "R…comes Clarimontis et dominus Brituliensis…et Aeliz comitissam uxorem meam" confirmed the donation to the church of Breteuil by "Sangalo de Garda Malgerii, Henricus filius eius" by undated charter, witnessed by "Albericus Domni Martini comes et Mahaux soror mea, Domni Martini comitissa, Rainaldus castellanus Britulii…"[155]. "Albericus comes Domni Martini et Raynaldus filius meus comes Boloniæ et Matildis uxor mea comitissa" donated property to Dammartin Saint-Pierre by charter dated 1185[156]. King Philippe II confirmed the donation made by “Mathilde jadis comtesse de Dammartin” to the nuns of Parc near Crespi of revenue from “la prévôté de Crespi”, which the king had previously granted to her in return for her rights over the county of Clermont after the death of [her great-nephew] Thibaud VI Comte de Blois, by charter dated [May/Jul] 1218[157]. m ([after 1162]) [as his second wife,] AUBRY [II] Comte de Dammartin, son of AUBRY [I] & his wife --- (-Lillebonne 20 Sep 1200, bur Jumièges).

12. CONSTANCE [Comtesse] de Clermont . Her parentage and marriage are indicated by the charter dated Jul 1218 under which Philippe II King of France granted property “à Bonneuil[-en-Valois]” to [her son] “Robert de la Tournelle” who relinquished any claims he might have to the county of Clermont[158]. Louvet notes a donation to the priory of Gournay-sur-Aronde made by “Rainal Comte de Clermont et Clemence sa femme” which was confirmed and supplemented in 1165 by “leurs enfans...Raoult Comte de Clermont, Simon, Gautier, Margueritte, Matilde et Comtesse”[159]. m RORICON de la Tournelle avocat of Pronastre, son of ---. 1165.

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Douglas Richardson writes in Soc.Gen.Medieval on 7 May 2012:

...[T]here is a charter of Renaud, Count of Clermont, dated 1152, in which he mentions "pater suus Hugo de Claremonte et Margarita mater ejus, et comites Cestrenses Hugo et Richardus ..."

See the following weblink for this charter:

http://books.google.com/books?id=phcOAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA64

The only interpretation I can give the wording of the 1152 charter is that Hugh de Claremont was not a count, but that Hugh and Richard were Earls of Chester. If Hugh de Claremont was truly a count, I find it inexplicable why his son, Renaud, would not accord that title to his father in this document. However, not only did Renaud not refer to his father as count, but neither did his two sisters or his brother-in-law, Hugh, Earl of Chester, in their respective charters.

I further note that Lucay, Le Comté de Clermont en Beauvaisis (1878): 11 indicates that following Hugh de Claremont's death after 1102, his son and heir, Renaud, first appears in 1114, as "seigneur de Claremont" at the dedication of the Collégiale in that town. For reference to that record, see the following weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?id=QMonAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA11

Had Renaud been Count of Clermont in 1114, he surely would have been so styled in this record. Given this evidence, I have to assume that Hugh de Claremont was not a Count at the time of his death sometime after 1102. Rather he was only "seigneur of Claremont," and was succeeded by his son, Renaud, as "seigneur" not Count of Claremont.

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Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France
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Saint Pol Sur Ternoise, Pas-de-Calais, Nord Pas-de-Calais, France
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April 1152
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